FOX Lies!! Barack Obama Pastor Wright

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by bishopnl

Well, if Obama is "conceding" he is either acknowleding that the comments were inappropriate, or lying. If he's acknowledging the comments were inappropriate just for the sake of political expediency (and not b/c he truly believes they were inappropriate), that's called "lying" too.
If the context of the comments justifies what Wright said, then Obama should explain the context of the quotes, and why he feels they were justifiably "right" enough for Obama to continue membership in the church. If he just says the comments were "wrong" and moves on, he either believes them to be wrong, or he just wants this issue to go away so he's willing to say something he doesn't really believe.

Preachers who use their pulpit to "radically confront political issues" are abusing the power of the pulpit, whether it's Democrat or Republican.

Did preachers ever confront kings and political systems in the Bible? Should preachers not preach on issues relating to homosexuality and abortion from the pulpit? Any preacher worth his salt will address something he sees as an injustice, rather they be liberal or conservative.

Bro...Obama just wanted to accept that the comments were over the top and move on. But I don't see any reason to crucify him over this. It was a sermon...a sermon I didn't hear in it's entirety.

Did you?

[Neck]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Did preachers ever confront kings and political systems in the Bible? Should preachers not preach on issues relating to homosexuality and abortion from the pulpit? Any preacher worth his salt will address something he sees as an injustice, rather they be liberal or conservative.

Bro...Obama just wanted to accept that the comments were over the top and move on. But I don't see any reason to crucify him over this. It was a sermon...a sermon I didn't hear in it's entirety.

Did you?

It is not the words of Jer Wright that will seal Obama.

It is the private words he attributed to his white grandmother.

To me he wanted to speak very clearly to the nation.

I know that "White Folk" have racist issues towards us African American's.

I heard the words come out of my own Grandmothers mouth.

To me it is down right biased and racist to call "Obama", or Halle Berry African American.

Since when do we accept that when a person has an African American parent and a Caucasian parent we reduce one half of their heritage by calling them African American.

To me they are multi ethnic and should be proud of their entire heritage.

Tiger Woods has also reduced his ethnic heritage by reducing his mothers heritage.

Halle Berry and Obama both do not want to be associated with their heritage and white mothers.

To me that is the biggest form of racism, reducing yourself from the family heritage that shaped you.

If I were Obama I would not allow folks to simply call me African American, Period.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

It is not the words of Jer Wright that will seal Obama.

It is the private words he attributed to his white grandmother.

To me he wanted to speak very clearly to the nation.

I know that "White Folk" have racist issues towards us African American's.

I heard the words come out of my own Grandmothers mouth.

To me it is down right biased and racist to call "Obama", or Halle Berry African American.

Since when do we accept that when a person has an African American parent and a Caucasian parent we reduce one half of their heritage by calling them African American.

To me they are multi ethnic and should be proud of their entire heritage.

Tiger Woods has also reduced his ethnic heritage by reducing his mothers heritage.

Halle Berry and Obama both do not want to be associated with their heritage and white mothers.

To me that is the biggest form of racism, reducing yourself from the family heritage that shaped you.

If I were Obama I would not allow folks to simply call me African American, Period.

Even darker skinned blacks treat them cruddy

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

It is not the words of Jer Wright that will seal Obama.

It is the private words he attributed to his white grandmother.

To me he wanted to speak very clearly to the nation.

I know that "White Folk" have racist issues towards us African American's.

I heard the words come out of my own Grandmothers mouth.

To me it is down right biased and racist to call "Obama", or Halle Berry African American.

Since when do we accept that when a person has an African American parent and a Caucasian parent we reduce one half of their heritage by calling them African American.

To me they are multi ethnic and should be proud of their entire heritage.

Tiger Woods has also reduced his ethnic heritage by reducing his mothers heritage.

Halle Berry and Obama both do not want to be associated with their heritage and white mothers.

To me that is the biggest form of racism, reducing yourself from the family heritage that shaped you.

If I were Obama I would not allow folks to simply call me African American, Period.

My heritage is Dutch, Irish, English, and German. My family has been in the the Americas for generations. I identify with my English and my Irish heritage by choice. Though I have investigated my Dutch roots and found Dutch culture to be enjoyable. The way a man chooses to be identified...IS THAT MAN'S choice. How dare we demand or judge a man over how he wishes to be identified. It's his prerogative alone.

The cultural roots you choose to identify with is...your business. You might say, "I'm justa 'mercican!" That's your choice. Or you might identify with Slavic roots, again, that's your choice. Who would I be to judge you for either choice?

[bishopnl]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Did preachers ever confront kings and political systems in the Bible? Should preachers not preach on issues relating to homosexuality and abortion from the pulpit? Any preacher worth his salt will address something he sees as an injustice, rather they be liberal or conservative.

Bro...Obama just wanted to accept that the comments were over the top and move on. But I don't see any reason to crucify him over this. It was a sermon...a sermon I didn't hear in it's entirety.

Did you?

Preachers worth their salt won't use their pulpit as a political soapbox. In fact, Paul didn't address the Roman government's permissiveness of sin...he addressed sin, and the power of Christ to change the life of sinners. Wright uses his pulpit to hammer what he perceives to be the ills of American government and white America.

[bishopnl]

Hope this hasn't already been posted, but I read it earlier today and thought it interesting, considering the current discussion....

A Brief for Whitey
By Patrick J. Buchanan
Friday, March 21, 2008

How would he pull it off? I wondered.

How would Barack explain to his press groupies why he sat silent in a pew for 20 years as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright delivered racist rants against white America for our maligning of Fidel and Gadhafi, and inventing AIDS to infect and kill black people?

How would he justify not walking out as Wright spewed his venom about "the U.S. of K.K.K. America," and howled, "God **** America!"

My hunch was right. Barack would turn the tables.

Yes, Barack agreed, Wright's statements were "controversial," and "divisive," and "racially charged," reflecting a "distorted view of America."

But we must understand the man in full and the black experience out of which the Rev. Wright came: 350 years of slavery and segregation.

Barack then listed black grievances and informed us what white America must do to close the racial divide and heal the country.

The "white community," said Barack, must start "acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination -- and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past -- are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds ... ."

And what deeds must we perform to heal ourselves and our country?

The "white community" must invest more money in black schools and communities, enforce civil rights laws, ensure fairness in the criminal justice system and provide this generation of blacks with "ladders of opportunity" that were "unavailable" to Barack's and the Rev. Wright's generations.

What is wrong with Barack's prognosis and Barack's cure?

Only this. It is the same old con, the same old shakedown that black hustlers have been running since the Kerner Commission blamed the riots in Harlem, Watts, Newark, Detroit and a hundred other cities on, as Nixon put it, "everybody but the rioters themselves."

Was "white racism" really responsible for those black men looting auto dealerships and liquor stories, and burning down their own communities, as Otto Kerner said -- that liberal icon until the feds put him away for bribery.

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.

Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.

This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the '60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants.

Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?

Barack talks about new "ladders of opportunity" for blacks.

Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for "deserving" white kids.

Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.

Pat Buchanan is a founding editor of The American Conservative magazine, and the author of many books including State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America .

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[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by bishopnl

Preachers worth their salt won't use their pulpit as a political soapbox. In fact, Paul didn't address the Roman government's permissiveness of sin...he addressed sin, and the power of Christ to change the life of sinners. Wright uses his pulpit to hammer what he perceives to be the ills of American government and white America.

Ah...so Paul was a-political. But most Christians are EXTREME right wing. Hmmmm.

[ChristopherHall]

Obama has spin doctors like everyone else does. They could have simply pointed out JW really did not say what he said everyone is saying and that it was out of context and that fox lied....rather than have Obama lie to everyone else

Actually NPR has featured Liberation Theology theologians who have extensively commented on the context of the theological perspective, homiletic, and black preaching tradition. On MSNBC there was an individual explaining that his comments if viewed in their overall context calls America to repentance so as to spare her…the intent of his sermon wasn’t strictly a condemnation. It was a condemnation of perceived wrongs (some real other’s perceived) and a call to America to stop playing God.

We who stand against the evils of racism and dehumanization really should be in agreement with the overall premise even if we feel some details are debatable.

But I’d like to here it for myself before making a certain call on it either way. Until I have the whole story…I’ll tend to lean toward the benefit of a doubt for Jeremiah Wright….after all…he’s not here to defend himself at present. He’ll come out and explain after the campaign. They want to move on from this and focus on real issues, not the words of an excited black preacher.

[ChristopherHall]

Ah more of that subjective touchy feely assumptions you would be able to prove. Good grief....You know people, don't be surprised at the responses you get from others when you make sweeping generalizations like this that are unprovable.

You don’t believe gleaning, the poor tithe, and other issues of social justice are explained in the Bible? Did you not read the entire article from Holman Bible Dictionary I presented you? There’s plenty of both Scripture and context to attend to. Research it.

May I offer a challenge? Please prove God didn’t issue laws allowing for gleaning, poor tithes, and social justice for the most needy of society.

[ChristopherHall]

You didn't really answer POs question though. PO did not ask if it is commented on through out the bible. PO asked about the difference

There will always be a degree of lazy individuals who live on the system. However, the greater good is to be in view…not the abuser. They are cheating themselves.