A Wrecked Church! - Page 36

Esaias · #**351** 07-17-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

It's with sadness that I read of stories like this and the hurt and harm that comes to the children of God through such behavior. I realize the people have been hurt/harmed and even though it seems that the individuals who are controlling the building church system are inflicting pain and suffering, they're probably experiencing the same thing themselves. Probably in their mind they're protecting their building church system and see the individuals who are against them as against the truth.

The main problem is with the typical oneness Pentecostal church building system. I've noticed the typical phrase of 'bro so-and-so's' church in this thread and others. Go to 'bro so-and-so's church'. 'Bro-so-and-so' has a great church in this town and that town. Such 'church' systems are a disservice to God. It's not his system, but preachers will work and suffer and work the people and politic and money-money and 'building is the house of the Lord, , in order to build a manmade kingdom. The people are taught to serve the pastor and building and then when something comes along like the fiasco we're reading about, seeing the hurt and harm and pain and suffering, little is said that the preacher set up a system which isn't scriptural at all. It's almost like a franchise with McDonalds competing with Burger King and Burger King competing with Wendy's and if an individual has the particular denominational franchise, UPC, ALJC, Other, then they have the rights to a certain territory. When the franchisee passes away, the franchise is still owned and controlled by the family. So it is with some much of the oneness Pentecostal system. The father passes the franchise on to the children. The father and his family have put money and time and effort and tears into the franchise and therefore the son/daughter inherits the 'church' business.

This problem we're reading about originated with the Roman Catholic Church and the system which they instituted with didn't have scriptural support, as much of their teachings lack. The building=church and a pope-like figure heading the building-church has it's basis in Roman Catholicism. The pope/preacher is to be obeyed, he's the guy who speaks for God and to question him or the building-church system is blasphemy and the reward for such individual behavior is hell.

The sheep are scattered in this sordid story because of two things. First, the 'church' system which was established was against scripture to begin with and second, the devil knew it.

Sadly, those sheep who are scattered think the pastor was their shepherd instead of Jesus and they believe that they must attend and support a church=building system in order to not forsake the assembling of themselves together. Because of the error which was taught as truth to them, they are unable to simply meet as the New Testament church did. The Roman Catholic system puts people in bondage to the building=church system that few can escape from.

The best thing that could happen is that they never attend another building=church system and do as the New Testament church did. Unless that happens they're just trading Roman Catholic systems of bondage.

And there ya have it!

OHappyDay · #**352** 07-17-2012, 03:19 PM

I write this in hopes of setting a few facts straight for the record. 1.) The church has never been affliated with the ALJC or the UPC. 2.) The church was set up as a 501c3. 3) The church has always had a board of trustees. 4.) The church has always had bylaws. 5.) The original bylaws are not, I repeat, are NOT the bylaws that are in place now or are being used now. The bylaws were changed after the Bishop became ill and mentally incapacitated. They have been changed multiple times to fit the WILL of the daughter. 6.) One by one the board members were slowly replaced by "yes men". They follow her and her "boyfriend's" every instruction. This is when the bylaws and everything else was changed. 7.) The daughter had complete control of the dad including his medicine. She is a former nurse. She also has power of attorney of the entire estate. 8.) As per the previous points, this left other members of the family POWERLESS.

Esaias · #**353** 07-17-2012, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OHappyDay

I write this in hopes of setting a few facts straight for the record.The church was set up as a 501c3.

And this is what allows for such power-struggles to carry on - setting up a corporation allows the people who set it up to dictate what it does and where the property goes etc.

If the Board breaks it's own by-laws the best that can happen is a civil suit?

Gee, won't THAT be a fun thing.

By the way... setting up a corporation and passing it off to others as 'the church' would seem like false advertising, to me... just saying...

rgcraig · #**354** 07-17-2012, 03:33 PM

Wow - - that could get pretty sticky if there is rental property involved in the 501c3.

OHappyDay · #**355** 07-17-2012, 03:34 PM

The reason why I am setting a few facts straight is the daughter will deny the allegations on the internet as being inaccurate or wrong. But only small parts of it were wrong/small inaccuracies. The allegations overall as a whole are true.

9.) The Bishop himself and other men in the church were affliated with various organizations. But never the church itself.
10) The two sons and the two grandsons are ministers and are GOOD MEN. The youngest son pastors in Colorado Springs, CO. The youngest grandson pastors in Lousiana. The eldest son and the eldest grandson pastor a church in the suburbs.
11.) Dear saints of God have been leaving the church because of the relationship between the daughter and the new "pastor" for a very long time. This relationship was kept hidden from the Bishop. And these two used their positions in the church and their control over the Bishop against any opposition as previously mentioned in the above thread.
12.) The church was set up correctly in accordance with the IRS and Biblical laws.

Steve Epley · #**356** 07-17-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OHappyDay

The reason why I am setting a few facts straight is the daughter will deny the allegations on the internet as being inaccurate or wrong. But only small parts of it were wrong/small inaccuracies. The allegations overall as a whole are true.

9.) The Bishop himself and other men in the church were affliated with various organizations. But never the church itself.
10) The two sons and the two grandsons are ministers and are GOOD MEN. The youngest son pastors in Colorado Springs, CO. The youngest grandson pastors in Lousiana. The eldest son and the eldest grandson pastor a church in the suburbs.
11.) Dear saints of God have been leaving the church because of the relationship between the daughter and the new "pastor" for a very long time. This relationship was kept hidden from the Bishop. And these two used their positions in the church and their control over the Bishop against any opposition as previously mentioned in the above thread.
12.) The church was set up correctly in accordance with the IRS and Biblical laws.

I do not think the ALJC has church affliation only a ministers' fellowship thus the org. wpuld have no legal power only influence. If the other family members cannot exercise influence and old friends of the former pastor then forget it.

OHappyDay · #**357** 07-17-2012, 03:54 PM

13.) This church was a powerful church and did become very large. The numbers stated in this thread are incorrect. The church grew to somewhere between 700-800 people at its peak. There were 4-6 school buses to pick up people. Some of the buses would have to make multiple trips. But the church is located in a part of town that has been in decay for years and the numbers dropped substantially over time. As of a few years ago it still ran a good number.
14.) Bishop did not set it up as a kingdom nor did he run it as a kingdom. Bishop and his wife were Godly, God fearing people who gave themselves regularly to prayer and fasting even in their last few years. The Bishop's wife personally knocked over 20,000 doors in that community all to further the Kingdom OF GOD.
15.) It is true, I repeat, it is true that the daughter has threatened to sue people for slander and has threatened much more. That's crippling many attempts to help the people of this church.

Esaias · #**358** 07-17-2012, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OHappyDay

The reason why I am setting a few facts straight is the daughter will deny the allegations on the internet as being inaccurate or wrong.

Anybody who would deny internet allegations is clearly delusional!

Sorry, I'm bowing out now, I really don't have a dog in this fight. Hopefully the people of God will find peace.

KeptByTheWord · #**359** 07-17-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OHappyDay

13.) This church was a powerful church and did become very large. The numbers stated in this thread are incorrect. The church grew to somewhere between 700-800 people at its peak. There were 4-6 school buses to pick up people. Some of the buses would have to make multiple trips. But the church is located in a part of town that has been in decay for years and the numbers dropped substantially over time. As of a few years ago it still ran a good number.
14.) Bishop did not set it up as a kingdom nor did he run it as a kingdom. Bishop and his wife were Godly, God fearing people who gave themselves regularly to prayer and fasting even in their last few years. The Bishop's wife personally knocked over 20,000 doors in that community all to further the Kingdom OF GOD.
15.) It is true, I repeat, it is true that the daughter has threatened to sue people for slander and has threatened much more. That's crippling many attempts to help the people of this church.

Even in light of your information, I repeat my stance on this issue. The daughter may think she has won this "battle" but she has not won the war.

The church will be a shell of what it was, with the spirit of the Lord departed, and it won't be long before all she has sought to set up will come to naught.... unless she finds a place of true repentance.

Rapture 1 · #**360** 07-17-2012, 04:12 PM

The church was ALJC until a few years ago. Most of the people didn't know the pastor had got out of it. It was started as ALJC about 58 years ago with Bro R and then Bro P. Bro P and Bro W wrote the ByLaws at that time. Every one who went there years ago can tell you that. The old building probably held about 300 to 400.Thats why they built a new building. I don't know how many that held. But it's been going down in numbers in the last few years. Several of the older members live in that area that is still safe, so, they don't have to drive but a few blocks. The church did have some large school buses at one time
to pick up kids, but I believe that was quiet a while ago. Years ago the church fellowshiped with the West Tn district of ALJC. There were some good times and good memories for everyone during that time ,everyone says. The Late Pastor does have some great sons and grandchildren that go eleswhere. And his wife was a fantastic teacher, very smart lady. She definitely knew her bible history!!
From what I understand, the by Laws have been changed more that once, over the years. And so many of the board members have died, got upset (?) and gone on somewhere else. The present board was appointed by the late pastor, and not voted on by the people.