John3 and Romans2: Part2

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I feel sorry for all those poor "right living" human beings who will not be resurrected to immortality and inherit the earth, very sad.

Lots of sad Shaolin Buddhist monks.

Poor Grasshopper.

“Under heaven all can see beauty as beauty only because there is ugliness. All can know good as good only because there is evil.”
Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

Don, are you a Taoist?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Lots of sad Shaolin Buddhist monks.

Poor Grasshopper.

“Under heaven all can see beauty as beauty only because there is ugliness. All can know good as good only because there is evil.”
Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

Don, are you a Taoist?

Don, would you consider Lao Tzu to be "right living?" It would seem when looking through the Tao Te Ching, that moral disciplined behavior is taught.
Since you are pretty vague on what exactly "right living" to be. I was wonder, if Taoists would be consider to be "right living?"

Not looking for some huge word salad of an answer, just a yes, or no would do.

[donfriesen1]

post 147. Lets ask Dom Benincasa where Enoch got this great knowledge of God from. What book of God did he go to when God had not yet given a book? God had spoken to some individuals and Enoch's knowledge of this was either gained from speaking to them or having it passed by word of mouth. And what pray tell, would he have learned other than only what we today know through the Book from their stories? We can assume that A&E and Noah told Enoch the important parts, that are recorded in the Bible. But what could compel any saying they would have told more than what is recorded? If important this also would have made its way into the Ge record.

Dom says this: Enoch walked with God, yet you seem to think he had no clue who God was, he was just some heathen who happened to "do right by his conscience"? Please, stop. Dom would have you think that because I believe that Enoch lived in the Age of Conscience that he was a heathen (Esaias and Dom are experts at distorting and twisting the words someone puts into print to represent them as saying something you are miles from saying. Hopefully they have more integrity than would suggest that they don't do this purposely.) and can't develope a prayer life and learn about God through answered prayer. What Dom can't prove is that Enoch studied the Bible because Paul says there was no Word to study, Ro5.13. So dear reader, what can a person learn of the ways of God through prayer alone and the few things that the few righteous who had heard from God before Enoch could have taught him? Actually quite a lot. What Enoch learned about God he learned from others interactions with God and his personal interactions with God which would also include his 'feelings' and 'sensing' about right and wrong, just like you've done in situations in your life that aren't specifically addressed in the Bible. You've searched-out with your senses what God wants you to do. There is no record that Enoch had personal communications with God like A&E or Noah. Genesis word's of Enoch don't state the words that he pleased God, as Hebrews records, and therefore the testimony comes from another non-scriptural source, though true, or is just a conclusion the writer makes on his own.

About faith. Dom would have you believe that the only source for faith is the Word of God. And where did this Word come from for Enoch when there was no book -- the words of others. Its a false notion that faith only comes from the Book. Man intuitively knows of God and faith can grow from this intuition. Paul says in Ro1 of those without excuse, that they should have known (had faith) about God's power and Godhead from creation. Faith can come from thinking about creation. God also has placed the conscience within Man to direct them to right living. Anyone listening to the conscience are listening to a God-given method of instruction and therefore exhibit a faith of sorts. Dom would have you belief that listening to the conscience is attempting to gain heaven by good works when in reality it is listening to a God-installed 'voice of God'. If anyone hasn't ever heard the Word and listens to the conscience, then they are listening to the God who placed it. If they do so when they have never heard the Word of God then they are following the only way of God known to them. That is faith of sorts and better than not having any faith when you don't have the Word.

[donfriesen1]

Originally Posted by Esaias

There's only one way, God's way!

Unless you didn't hear about it. Then God has another way.

Good grief.

If you believe as Esaias does, who seems to indicate that the only ones going to heaven are those who have been born again, then you will believe that there are no babies in heaven, because they aren't born again. If you believe like Esaias does then those who haven't received the Spirit though baptized (forgiven, sins remitted) don't go to heaven. If you believe like Esaias does then those who have never heard the Word will be d.mned to hell as not born again, even if they live right in the light they have. Don't believe like Esaias does because the Word presents a hope for these kind of people, that they too can find a home in heaven.

For those of you who have heard the gospel but haven't received it, plz, for the sake of your eternal destiny, believe and receive because you will be judged by what you've heard of and have no hope of a good eternity without the Lord Jesus Christ of Ac2.38.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Don, I’ve might have mentioned this before. But in case I didn’t. If you find yourself in a hole, you need to stop digging.

[donfriesen1]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Don, what you are proposing is that all of Israel and the Judean Diaspora didn't need the book of Acts 2. You're missing the point which is about those who have never heard the Word. Clearly, if you are a Jew you have the Word.Paul didn't need to go and bother the Greeks in Acts 17:16–34.

In Acts 2:5 they were devout Judeans, and Diaspora Judeans.

For you they didn't need to hear Galileans speaking in the languages and dialects of their birth languages. They were already "right living" Jewish people.

Right Don? All who have heard the Word will be judged by it. Those who haven't will not, but judged by the conscience. Ro5.13

So, good "right living" Hindus, Buddhists, Israelis, Muslims, NOI, Wiccans, or just good old atheists. I'm excluding Jews for this response who you include for some reason. Would you lump Jewish Moses with Wiccans? The others (not nowing what NOI stands for but you lump them with the others so I will too) are of those who have exchanged the truth of God for a lie.All they really have to do is be good, but good compared to what? Who actually is the judge of this good, or as you put it, "right living?" Plz share your thoughts on Ro5.13.Don, you sound like a Rabbi, who believes all a Gentile needs to do is keep the Noahide laws, and be a good gentile.

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[donfriesen1]

Post 147 Dom says Don?

You didn’t read this post.

Esaias clearly answered all your questions. Esaias refers to those who have heard the Word. My main point is those who haven't heard.

[donfriesen1]

Post 148-150 Esaias makes an interesting observation of who Ro1 refers to.

[donfriesen1]

Post 153-4 Amanah says about Cornelius This shows that his faith was incomplete until he obeyed the Gospel, demonstrating that salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ and obedience to the Gospel message Romans 10:16-17, Who would dare say that Cornelius was born again before he met Peter. None should. But he is described as a righteous man, Ac10.2, and the question isn't whether he needed to born again or not - he did, to enter the Kingdom of God. Though described as righteous he wasn't in the Kingdom. Had he rejected the gospel he would have rejected righteousness, not responding to truth and wanting to live in a lie. But the question really should be 'does God condemn people who walk in the light they possess?' Amanah says his faith wasn't complete, so he had faith. Who could fault someone like this? Ro5.13 shows God does not judge those who don't have the Word as if they did. Those who hear the Word and refuse it are the flamed ones, not those who haven't heard.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Don, you are no longer making sense. You are posting away but to no avail. You are at this point just babbling. You are wrong, you don't believe Acts 2:38, or even John 3:16. You are just a run of the mill Vatican II Catholic. I guess there is no place like Rome?