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08-18-2007, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman
Excuse me? Wasn't Peter a part of the Old Testament when this occured? Maybe there is another theological difference between you and me, the NT didn't actually begin untill the day of Pentecost, or do you not agree?
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THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING HERE.... "Before Pentecost??" There is a key there.... 
There were many things that had to be fulfilled before Calvary and Pentecost. Go back and reread what Elder Benincasa wrote concerning these two swords among twelve men.
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08-18-2007, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Lost and Found
Oh, okay....  so how is shooting an attacker "PREVENTATIVE"??  Seems it did not do a very good job keeping him away BEFORE he attacked!! 
But listen, just because you keep your eyes closed, that does not make it go away. Praxeas, it says what it says, regardless if you ignore it or not.  |
Wow....you don't really get it do you? We are not talking about going out and shooting someone AFTER they attacked as a form of payback. We are talking about preventing someone from attacking or doing harm.
Example, a cop carries a gun. He see's an armed man pointing his gun at innocent civilians threatening to shoot. The Cop realizes this is a serious threat and that if he does not act NOW several people might be killed. So the cop pulls out his gun and shoots the guy. That is NOT retribution, vengeance or retaliation. He is protecting others.
Another example, Virginia Tech. Had there been someone there with a gun, like a security guard or a cop or someone licenses to carry, they could have prevented many many more deaths and injuries. That is NOT retribution, vengance or retaliation. He is protecting others.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-18-2007, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by retsambeW
You are indeed correct.
Of course, I will say, if someone broke into my house, and I had a firearm, I would harm the individual before he got a chance to harm my wife and children. I do not currently own a firearm.
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Right! Sadly though when EB and Lost read people posting that they see "blah blah vengeace, blah blah retribution, blah blah blah retaliation"
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-18-2007, 04:00 PM
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Forget-it
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Right! Sadly though when EB and Lost read people posting that they see "blah blah vengeace, blah blah retribution, blah blah blah retaliation"
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There are those that feel that way. It is their right to be wrong, and if they choose to practice it, more power to them! 
I am not interested in revenge of any sort. If my wife or children were about to be harmed and I had the means to stop such action, and did not...
Well, I honestly believe I would be required to do what was necessary to save them.
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08-18-2007, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Wow....you don't really get it do you? We are not talking about going out and shooting someone AFTER they attacked as a form of payback. We are talking about preventing someone from attacking or doing harm.
Example, a cop carries a gun. He see's an armed man pointing his gun at innocent civilians threatening to shoot. The Cop realizes this is a serious threat and that if he does not act NOW several people might be killed. So the cop pulls out his gun and shoots the guy. That is NOT retribution, vengeance or retaliation. He is protecting others.
Another example, Virginia Tech. Had there been someone there with a gun, like a security guard or a cop or someone licenses to carry, they could have prevented many many more deaths and injuries. That is NOT retribution, vengance or retaliation. He is protecting others.
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Thank you Prax...
When I have more time, I want to discuss the subject of charity. In your classic examples above, here are two very good examples of godly CHARITY.
Charity involves the principle of "the greater good."
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08-18-2007, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by retsambeW
There are those that feel that way. It is their right to be wrong, and if they choose to practice it, more power to them!
I am not interested in revenge of any sort. If my wife or children were about to be harmed and I had the means to stop such action, and did not...
Well, I honestly believe I would be required to do what was necessary to save them. |
If you did not, you would be either a traitor or a coward. Possilby both. Certainly you would be a traitor to the common good.
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08-18-2007, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Right! Sadly though when EB and Lost read people posting that they see "blah blah vengeace, blah blah retribution, blah blah blah retaliation"
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No, I understand all to well what you are saying, and what you are saying is against scripture.
Praxeas, why not help us? Instead of all the blah blah blah, why not offer some solid Bible here to support YOUR stance? I will await this. But I won't be holding my breath!
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere.
-DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
www.tkburk.com
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08-18-2007, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Lost and Found
No, I understand all to well what you are saying, and what you are saying is against scripture.
Praxeas, why not help us? Instead of all the blah blah blah, why not offer some solid Bible here to support YOUR stance? I will await this. But I won't be holding my breath!
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I already tried to discuss scripture but in return I got the above rhetoric. If you have scripture to support your view that self defense or the defense of others is wrong, post them. Stop trying to switch the burden of proof
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-18-2007, 05:47 PM
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Lamb Saved & Shepherd Led
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Originally Posted by Brother Strange
Thank you Prax...
When I have more time, I want to discuss the subject of charity. In your classic examples above, here are two very good examples of godly CHARITY.
Charity involves the principle of "the greater good."
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Lots of "I" here. I thought we were to die to our own will and live only to God?
Where did Jesus teach what YOU believe? Where did the Apostles teach what you YOU believe? Where is the history that says the early church taught what YOU believe? Still waiting on all this.... 
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere.
-DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
www.tkburk.com
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08-18-2007, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I already tried to discuss scripture but in return I got the above rhetoric. If you have scripture to support your view that self defense or the defense of others is wrong, post them. Stop trying to switch the burden of proof
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Of course, of course. I would hope if you had anything to offer, you would list them here. Tell you what, list your post numbers and I will go and copy your scriptures and list them for you. Easy enough?  oloroid
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere.
-DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
www.tkburk.com
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