A Wrecked Church!

[OHappyDay]

16.) Again I state, the ministers have been affiliated with the ALJC, but NOT the church itself.
17.) The church building, the church property, and any funds "hidden or unhidden" would make for a nice retirement package, dont ya think... equals incentive.

[KeptByTheWord]

Sure, it all would make a nice retirement package, but what about the eternity fund.... this would be the one worth worrying about.... which would be in great jeopardy without a heart of repentance ....

If indeed this is her plan, to eventually shut the church down, and "enjoy" herself a nice little retirement, seems she has perfectly executed the plan, at least in this life. But there is eternity to be concerned about, and apparently that is not playing the least bit of importance to her right now. But God keeps a good record book.... her day will come.

It is really so sad to see the Jezebel spirit manifesting when she had such kind, godly, wonderful parents.

Will continue to pray that her heart will be changed. We are commanded by Jesus to "love our enemies" and though this is hard to do in the midst of the battle, if you can persevere, and pray for this woman and her cohorts with a sincere desire to see the Lord do a mighty miraculous work, the cards on the table could shift in a mighty and miraculous way. There is no obstacle too big that God can't remove it.

I am praying in that way. This church and this situation is near and dear to my heart as they provided healing, and comfort to our family in our time of need years ago, and I will continue to hold them up before the Lord.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by OHappyDay

13.) This church was a powerful church and did become very large. The numbers stated in this thread are incorrect. The church grew to somewhere between 700-800 people at its peak. There were 4-6 school buses to pick up people. Some of the buses would have to make multiple trips. But the church is located in a part of town that has been in decay for years and the numbers dropped substantially over time. As of a few years ago it still ran a good number.
14.) Bishop did not set it up as a kingdom nor did he run it as a kingdom. Bishop and his wife were Godly, God fearing people who gave themselves regularly to prayer and fasting even in their last few years. The Bishop's wife personally knocked over 20,000 doors in that community all to further the Kingdom OF GOD.
15.) It is true, I repeat, it is true that the daughter has threatened to sue people for slander and has threatened much more. That's crippling many attempts to help the people of this church.

Thanks for setting the record straight. I must say that even though the church had an appointed trustee board, it did not have a regular church board, which members are normally proposed by the pastor and approved by church member vote. A trustee board is for legal property and asset purposes. They do not set and approve budgets, plus approve policy and all business matters of the church.

This church was run with an autocratic leadership style which is common in conservative Pentecostal circles.

Nobody is accusing the former bishop of abusing power, in fact, everyone that I know loved him very much! The
only problem was the vacuum of power that was created when he passed away.

My heart goes out to all the wonderful and godly people that have been disenfranchised and bullied in,this church situation. I'm praying that all find peace.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Esaias

That's what I was saying... must be my lack of traditional upbringing. I can understand the hurt and pain, but I honestly cannot understand (relate, maybe?) the idea of not feeling at home with Holy Ghost people. I have stopped in for a meeting out of state at a church I saw listed in the phone book... and felt right at home. Same Spirit.

Course, they say Tennessee is a lot like Texas, so...

I've felt that same Spirit in Trinitarian Pentecostals churches as well.

[HolyFire]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Even in light of your information, I repeat my stance on this issue. The daughter may think she has won this "battle" but she has not won the war.

The church will be a shell of what it was, with the spirit of the Lord departed, and it won't be long before all she has sought to set up will come to naught.... unless she finds a place of true repentance.

If she can. I'll never say it's too late, but I'm reminded of a story from West Memphis, AR before I got there. Prophet R.L. M was preaching a revival there in the 80's. During service he stopped and said someone is going to die, they've been causing problems for a neighboring church. He said for them to make things right with that pastor (who happened to be there). The man responsible got up, went to the pastor, who accepted the apology and along w/ Bro. Ml, prayed him through (I believe that's how it went). What I know sure is Bro M called it out, the guy got right. After service he had a heart attack in the foyer, and before he was laid on sidewalk outside he was dead.

We tend to forget the severity of God, and major on the goodness. Hearing about Bro. C in Thailand and what befell those who opposed what God was trying to do, and other stories of people trying to wreck a church, it makes me wonder what's going to happen here. I'm nervous for this lady and preacher.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by houston

Really, ILG??? I can never listen to that song again. Thanks.

I am very sorry.

I do set fire to the rain! I love Adele.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by HeavenBound

He was a superintendent of the ALJC for a time and is a Bishop of a Church in another state and was asked by the deceased Pastor's daughter and her choice for Pastor to please come advise them. They gave him the right although the majority didn't like it.

Yeesh. It's the same all over it seems.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by HolyFire

We tend to forget the severity of God, and major on the goodness. Hearing about Bro. C in Thailand and what befell those who opposed what God was trying to do, and other stories of people trying to wreck a church, it makes me wonder what's going to happen here. I'm nervous for this lady and preacher.

What happened there?

[StillStanding]

Oh yeah, I was told the daughter also had her new salary approved by the same bogus church vote! Why not milk it for all it's worth?

The daughter now is firmly in control of he church. The "new" pastor is her puppet! Her pitiful scorched earth scheme seems to have worked!

I believe that she thinks the sheep will return once things blow over. After all, they are lowly sheep that need a strong person like her to tell them what to do. She will be wrong! All she has accomplished is reducing the size of the church by 75%. Good luck with that fabulous salary with a church that runs 20 people! When will the epiphany come where she realizes she drove away the very people who were paying her salary?

I was told that former members will only consider returning if the daughter leaves! Unfortunately, that will never happen without a court order! Sad, sad day for the "wrecked church".

[Margies3]

Originally Posted by StillStanding

Oh yeah, I was told the daughter also had her new salary approved by the same bogus church vote! Why not milk it for all it's worth?

The daughter now is firmly in control of he church. The "new" pastor is her puppet! Her pitiful scorched earth scheme seems to have worked!

I believe that she thinks the sheep will return once things blow over. After all, they are lowly sheep that need a strong person like her to tell them what to do. She will be wrong! All she has accomplished is reducing the size of the church by 75%. Good luck with that fabulous salary with a church that runs 20 people! When will the epiphany come where she realizes she drove away the very people who were paying her salary?

I was told that former members will only consider returning if the daughter leaves! Unfortunately, that will never happen without a court order! Sad, sad day for the "wrecked church".

yep! that salary approval means not a thing if there is no money available to pay it. And if there are no people, then there can be no money. Too bad for her. Hope she's not counting on those dollars cuz she sounds like she's gonna outa luck to me.