Bishop SC Johnson - Page 37

sis_perez · #**361** 06-01-2009, 06:48 PM

Good Evening all,
I would just like to Comment on Steve Epley. I disagree with you saying that if there was no Lawson there would be no Bishop Johnson. If there was no God, then there would not have been a Bishop SC Johnson. Bishop Johnson preached that the "Spirit told him to come out. Can you imagine the movement Lawson would have had if Bishop Johnson was a leader in his movement. Bishop Johnson said to Lawson, if God didnt bless his ministry, then he could say it was not of God. So God did that seperating. When Bj first started out, the first church or two that he had was taken from him. His success was through prayer, and Lawson had nothing to do with what Bishop J had. Also, Lawson was n the Days of BJ, and if Lawson was right, then he should have been able to walk away with the $500,000.oo reward that BJ offered.

sis_perez · #**362** 06-01-2009, 07:03 PM

Barb, just a small comment- You stated earlier-Just because a preacher is involved politics and social issuses doesn't mean he is not a true man of God.
Well I kinda disagree. The bible tell us to set our affections on things above and not on things of the earth.- It also says " Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If ANY man love the world the Love of the Father is not in him. So...... Is being involved in politics of the World or is it of the Father?

warrior · #**363** 06-01-2009, 07:33 PM

Sis. Perez, that whole business about 500,000 dollars doesn't carry a great deal of weight to me. I have heard a some of the debates by BJ and HE always declared himself the winner. The debates were never done in a style to which a debate should be done. Bishop Johnson had the biggest mouth and at the end of the day he said he was the winner.

They were always held on his turf. There wasn't a neutral party their to prove or disprove any statments made by either party and so forth. I am sorry, anyone can debate anything loud enough with a huge congregation of their followers cheering them and declare themselves the winner.

In my opinion, that is why his money never meant much too much to me.

gthaywood1880 · #**364** 06-01-2009, 09:15 PM

Bishop John Pernell split from COOLJC in 1967 because of doctrinal differences because he believed God's name for this age is Yahweh rather than Jesus. Bishop Pernell died in 1972.

Barb · #**365** 06-01-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sis_perez

Good Evening all,
I would just like to Comment on Steve Epley. I disagree with you saying that if there was no Lawson there would be no Bishop Johnson. If there was no God, then there would not have been a Bishop SC Johnson. Bishop Johnson preached that the "Spirit told him to come out. Can you imagine the movement Lawson would have had if Bishop Johnson was a leader in his movement. Bishop Johnson said to Lawson, if God didnt bless his ministry, then he could say it was not of God. So God did that seperating. When Bj first started out, the first church or two that he had was taken from him. His success was through prayer, and Lawson had nothing to do with what Bishop J had. Also, Lawson was n the Days of BJ, and if Lawson was right, then he should have been able to walk away with the $500,000.oo reward that BJ offered.

Sis, I think I understood what Elder E meant...

Bishop Johnson was saved through the ministry of Bishop Lawson, either directly or indirectly.

So one can easily say that if there had not been a Lawson there may not have been a Johnson.

One other note: I picked up on something in your post...when Bishop Lawson was mentioned, it was "Lawson," but when referring to your bishop, it was "Bishop Johnson."

Was that intentional or an oversight?!

Steve Epley · #**366** 06-01-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sis_perez

Good Evening all,
I would just like to Comment on Steve Epley. I disagree with you saying that if there was no Lawson there would be no Bishop Johnson. If there was no God, then there would not have been a Bishop SC Johnson. Bishop Johnson preached that the "Spirit told him to come out. Can you imagine the movement Lawson would have had if Bishop Johnson was a leader in his movement. Bishop Johnson said to Lawson, if God didnt bless his ministry, then he could say it was not of God. So God did that seperating. When Bj first started out, the first church or two that he had was taken from him. His success was through prayer, and Lawson had nothing to do with what Bishop J had. Also, Lawson was n the Days of BJ, and if Lawson was right, then he should have been able to walk away with the $500,000.oo reward that BJ offered.

Evidently you misunderstand me I respect Bishop Johnson and marvel at the work he did. No doubt the Lord was with him for him to accomplish what he did. I thoroughly enjoyed Bishop Johnson's preaching. However Bishop Johnson was not saved under HIS own preaching he was saved under Bishop Lawson's preaching. So to cast aspirsions on Bishop Lawson is amazing since Bishop Johnson heard and obeyed the gosple through the influence of Bishop Lawson.

Barb · #**367** 06-01-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sis_perez

Barb, just a small comment- You stated earlier-Just because a preacher is involved politics and social issuses doesn't mean he is not a true man of God.
Well I kinda disagree. The bible tell us to set our affections on things above and not on things of the earth.- It also says " Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If ANY man love the world the Love of the Father is not in him. So...... Is being involved in politics of the World or is it of the Father?

You don't think that Christians need to be involved in the community?! Feeding the hungry...providing clothing for those in need...these are things left to the unchurched to see after?!

Sis. P, if we are alive and kicking, we are IN this world. That doesn't mean we set are affections on the things of this world, but it does mean that we should show compassion...we ought to care more than the average bear.

I am of the opinion that Christians ought to be where we can do the most good...where our godly influence can make a difference.

Regarding Bishop Lawson's involvment in civic affairs, this is from a booklet about Bishop, page 55...

Bishop was "an adament member of the Republican party. His political and civic and associations were always persued with the improvment of his people as the primary goal."

It goes on to say that he personally knew President Eisenhower. Bishop spoke on the radio against segregation. He "had a working relationship" with the mayor of New York and the governor.

Does this mean Bishop loved the world more than God?!

Does it mean the love of the Father was not in Him?!

warrior · #**368** 06-02-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Evidently you misunderstand me I respect Bishop Johnson and marvel at the work he did. No doubt the Lord was with him for him to accomplish what he did. I thoroughly enjoyed Bishop Johnson's preaching. However Bishop Johnson was not saved under HIS own preaching he was saved under Bishop Lawson's preaching. So to cast aspirsions on Bishop Lawson is amazing since Bishop Johnson heard and obeyed the gosple through the influence of Bishop Lawson.

Elder Epley, people believe this because they want to believe that Bishop Johnson was above learning from another man. His followers are of the opinion that everything he knew he got directly from the mouth of God.

If that be the case, then the Bible is a liar. The Bible says, "How can you hear without a preacher". Bishop Johnson had a teacher in the beginning of his ministry. As previously stated it was Bishop Lawson. He doesn't get credit for hit, but he was.

warrior · #**369** 06-02-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sis_perez

Good Evening all,
I would just like to Comment on Steve Epley. I disagree with you saying that if there was no Lawson there would be no Bishop Johnson. If there was no God, then there would not have been a Bishop SC Johnson. Bishop Johnson preached that the "Spirit told him to come out. Can you imagine the movement Lawson would have had if Bishop Johnson was a leader in his movement. Bishop Johnson said to Lawson, if God didnt bless his ministry, then he could say it was not of God. So God did that seperating. When Bj first started out, the first church or two that he had was taken from him. His success was through prayer, and Lawson had nothing to do with what Bishop J had. Also, Lawson was n the Days of BJ, and if Lawson was right, then he should have been able to walk away with the $500,000.oo reward that BJ offered.

Sister Perez,

We don't need to see Bishop Lawson's movement if Bishop Johnson was the head of it. We already know. There is a distinct difference between the two.
Bishop Lawson's movement is alive and well. As a matter of fact Bishop W.L. Bonner is at the helm of it.

Bishop Johnson's movement went immediatly into dissaray after his death. He had not appointed leadership. As a matter of fact, the last time I checked they were still fighting. In addition to those people, there are those have raised their own personal shrines to BJ and commence to worshipping him. There are tape players who think that God has spoken since BJ died. There are those still waiting on him to ressurect from the dead some four decades later. There are those who simply backslid because BJ was the heart of their salvation and not Jesus Christ. There are those who have restarted the same organization with the same teachings as BJ but refuse to worship together. To me that is the craziest thing I have ever heard. Anyway, to sum it up, BJ organization is a mess and has been since he died.

Although BJ preached Jesus many didn't have the scriptural foundation for themselves and are now walking in error because they refuse pastoral leadership. God didn't call anyone to pastor themselves. Sin is running rampant because they don't have a pastor (refering to situations I know about).

In other words, there is a distinct difference between what happened to Bishop Lawson's organization and what happened with Bishop Johnson's organization. So, please don't state things in a manner that said Bishop Lawson's organization would have been so much greater had BJ taken leadership. I beg to differ. God knew best.

sis_perez · #**370** 06-02-2009, 03:40 PM

Warrior just to comment on the $500,000.00 thing, well we have debate tapes. And it is clearly seen who the winner was when the other opponent could not bring bible chapter and verse to support their beliefs. Remember, the Debates were biblical. So wether the money means anything to anyone or not, he offered it to anyone walking in shoe leather to back up their religion with Bible. Nobody had to take the money if they didnt want it. I am sure if anyone could have stopped his big mouth for nothing, they would have done so.