Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Father?

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

From conception he was man would seem more accurate.

1 Timothy 3:16

16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Oh I definitely believe that the baby born of Mary was a man in every way, totally human and I believe that the fullness of God the Father dwelt in him.

[Abiding Now]

Sean, about this temptation business, James describes it best in James 1:12 - 16. Note verse 14, "every man is tempted when he is drawn away of his own lust". For Jesus/God to have been tempted with sin, there would have FIRST had to be lust within Jesus/God. No lust, No temptation. When the devil tempted Jesus in the wilderness that temptation came from WITHOUT from satan, not from within Jesus who had no lust (sin). (1Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth


James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

James 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

James 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

Mike, I will ask you this...

Then why did God respond to their tempting, by tempting him to wipe them out and start over with Moses. Moses had to talk the Lord out of it.(Calm Him down)...sounds like a temptation to respond violently against his people right? They got Him mad right?
If a man follows you though the mall and says things to upset you in front of your family, are you tempted to hit him in your anger, or tested to hit him in your anger?

"Tempt" is more forceful of a word than "test"...it was put in the Bible for a reason. Dont try to change it bro. The 2 words are not interchangeable.



Do you enjoy rewording or paraphrasing the word "tempt" to make it into the word "test"? That is definitely not Biblical, but it is how mens' ideas get mixed into the unadulterated word of God to "reinvent" the actual biblical meanings....naughty naughty.

Look up the meaning of the Hebrew word tempt and Greek word tempt. And I noticed you once again did not respond to my points saying JESUS was acting as a man who would not tempt God. You can't avoid my points leaving them unanswered and go to something different all the time.

H5254 (Strong)

נָסָה

nâsâh

naw-saw'

A primitive root; to test; by implication to attempt: - adventure, assay, prove, tempt, try.

Total KJV occurrences: 36

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Sean, about this temptation business, James describes it best in James 1:12 - 16. Note verse 14, "every man is tempted when he is drawn away of his own lust". For Jesus/God to have been tempted with sin, there would have FIRST had to be lust within Jesus/God. No lust, No temptation. When the devil tempted Jesus in the wilderness that temptation came from WITHOUT from satan, not from within Jesus who had no lust (sin). (1Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth


James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

James 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

James 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

Good point, the Devil may not have been successful in getting God to sin, whether in the O.T. or the N.T. but he sure did try to get Him to sin by tempting him.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

Good point, the Devil may not have been successful in getting God to sin, whether in the O.T. or the N.T. but he sure did try to get Him to sin by tempting him.

Consistent out of context references. God cannot be tempted because if something is not a temptation to a person the other did not actually tempt to begin with. "Your offers do not tempt me."

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Look up the meaning of the Hebrew word tempt and Greek word tempt. And I noticed you once again did not respond to my points saying JESUS was acting as a man who would not tempt God. You can't avoid my points leaving them unanswered and go to something different all the time.

H5254 (Strong)

נָסָה

nâsâh

naw-saw'

A primitive root; to test; by implication to attempt: - adventure, assay, prove, tempt, try.

Total KJV occurrences: 36

Howbout this.....Tempt and test are the same thing?...See how you have "minimized" the word TEMPT in the Bible to try to make an obscure point?

As if a "feelingless" God was not MAD at Israel in the O.T. when they "tempted" God in the wilderness. God was FURIOUS at them. God was not "tested", but He was "TEMPTED" as the BIBLE tells us Mike.


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tempt (tmpt)
v. tempt·ed, tempt·ing, tempts
v.tr.
1. To try to get (someone) to do wrong, especially by a promise of reward.
2. To be inviting or attractive to: A second helping tempted me. We refused the offer even though it tempted us. See Synonyms at lure.
3. To provoke or to risk provoking: Don't tempt fate.
4. To cause to be strongly disposed: He was tempted to walk out.
v.intr.
To be attractive or inviting:




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test 1 (tst)
n.
1. A procedure for critical evaluation; a means of determining the presence, quality, or truth of something; a trial: a test of one's eyesight; subjecting a hypothesis to a test; a test of an athlete's endurance.
2. A series of questions, problems, or physical responses designed to determine knowledge, intelligence, or ability.
3. A basis for evaluation or judgment: "A test of democratic government is how Congress and the president work together" (Haynes Johnson).
4. Chemistry
a. A physical or chemical change by which a substance may be detected or its properties ascertained.
b. A reagent used to cause or promote such a change.
c. A positive result obtained.
5. A cupel.




Notice the use of TEST as a noun and TEMPT as a verb. There is a difference in application Mike. Do you take a "TEMPT" in school?

[mfblume]

Sean the Hebrew definition means test. You cannot go to an English dictionary when they are translating from Hebr. It means test. It tests our resolve and our character and faith and even Christianity when we are tempted. Just stop arguing with the dfefinitin and accept it. The Hebrew said it, not me. Lol. Phew.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Sean, about this temptation business, James describes it best in James 1:12 - 16. Note verse 14, "every man is tempted when he is drawn away of his own lust". For Jesus/God to have been tempted with sin, there would have FIRST had to be lust within Jesus/God. No lust, No temptation. When the devil tempted Jesus in the wilderness that temptation came from WITHOUT from satan, not from within Jesus who had no lust (sin). (1Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth


James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

James 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

James 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

Jesus as a man had lusts. Every human has lusts. We just do not fulfill them. We're tempted to, but we must not.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Sean the Hebrew definition means test. You cannot go to an English dictionary when they are translating from Hebr. It means test. It tests our resolve and our character and faith and even Christianity when we are tempted. Just stop arguing with the dfefinitin and accept it. The Hebrew said it, not me. Lol. Phew.

Sorry, I dont speak whatever Hebrew you found. I speak English. I know what the 2 words mean. You are clearly trying to change the demeanor of the word used there, and replace it with a LESSER meaning word.
The KJV translators used the correct word "tempt" in the O.T. AND the N.T.(GREEK)as a VERB(action word) to show the RAGE of the Lord against His people.

Psalms 78:56...
Yet they tempted and provoked the most high God, and kept not his testimonies:

.Ps 78....Yet they tempted and provoked the most high God, and kept not his testimonies:

Exodus 17:7 And he called the name of the place Massah, and Meribah, because of the chiding of the children of Israel, and because they tempted the LORD, saying, Is the LORD among us, or not?

N.T.(GREEK)Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.

10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.



So you think that the Lord was FURIOUS at Israel for them presenting Him with some kind of TEST?

I guess the Lord hates taking tests???...LOL

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Jesus as a man had lusts. Every human has lusts. We just do not fulfill them. We're tempted to, but we must not.

Could you give me a verse that states the bolded? Thanks.