((WOW)) JOEL OSTEEN Says he is Shunning the Lavish Lifetyle!!!

[Pastor G]

Originally Posted by crakjak

No, but coming to spiritual maturity is a process, not a instantaneous occurrence.

I understand that but you can't even be spiritually immature, felling right in your sin...

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Will JO now be a featured preacher at BOTT or is that only the John Maxwell Propersity Preaching Place?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by revrandy

I can appreciate principled men even if I don't agree with them...

That's why some of our group could probably take some lessons from them...

This does it. Now you have stepped over the line and obviously "gone charismatic".

The only thing trinitarans ever wrote worth reading is the Readers Digest and Louis LaMour books. Oh,and....er....translated the bible. You should know this!

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by Pastor G

Oh no, sorry if it sounded that way...

No problem, like I said, I assumed that you weren't, just wanted to clarify. Thought maybe you knew something about me that I didn't!

[simplyme]

Originally Posted by Pastor G

I agree that Diz should let the scripture inspire her and the Holy Ghost will guide...

But is me thinking I am ok in my sin and that God will bless me in my sin a healthy view of myself?

No..so stop that!


No seriously you have a good point there, and see I listen to his televised so-called services or 'sermons'(?) I cannot call them sermons, but they are more like devotionals, or better yet, INSPIRATIONAL talks using parts of scripture that are more positive, possibly 'faith builders'..or "faith extenders" reminders of GOD's goodness, how we should apply His word to our lives, etc.,
but they DO leave out GOD's righteous judgment(s) and many that listen, or even attend his 'church'(?) may perish for lack of this knowledge., he doesn't mention salvation but at the end of every show, he offers people the opportunity to make JESUS the LORD of their lives. (easy believism) baptism is never mentioned.

[simplyme]

As for "shunning" the lavish lifestyle?
That may be that he is not AS extravagant as the others, with bling to spare, lol
BUT I doubt he lives a really HUMBLE lifestyle, such as you or I., (well me for sure ) I remember specifically one I listened to where he talked about how his wife was dreaming about a house that they happened to walk by, years ago, early in their marriage, how she told him that one day they would have a big new house like that., and he just shook his head., not quite wanting to believe that., but not directly disagreeing with her.
NOW, he said, indeed they had one exactly like that., and he attributed that to GOD's goodness in rewarding them for their ministry.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Pastor G

I understand that but you can't even be spiritually immature, felling right in your sin...

What.....?

[Blubayou]

I have briefly listened to his talks on TV. I was not impressed. They were very lightweight in substance, easy to listen to, but nothing to sink your teeth into.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by simplyme

No..so stop that!


No seriously you have a good point there, and see I listen to his televised so-called services or 'sermons'(?) I cannot call them sermons, but they are more like devotionals, or better yet, INSPIRATIONAL talks using parts of scripture that are more positive, possibly 'faith builders'..or "faith extenders" reminders of GOD's goodness, how we should apply His word to our lives, etc.,
but they DO leave out GOD's righteous judgment(s) and many that listen, or even attend his 'church'(?) may perish for lack of this knowledge., he doesn't mention salvation but at the end of every show, he offers people the opportunity to make JESUS the LORD of their lives. (easy believism) baptism is never mentioned.

It kinda hard to baptise a tv audience, so the best approach is to try hookem on the goodness of God, so that they will turn to Him and seek to know Him.

To know God is to love Him and to obey Him, so maybe we should pray for JO to be led of God, since He certainly has the audience.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

I find the comment, "Osteen's theology is more inspirational than theological, with a strong emphasis on self-help, in the feel-good tradition of Norman Vincent Peale and Robert Schuller" very revealing, even for a journalist.

An inspirational doctrinal base that emphasizes "self-help..." now that's scary! If the trend continues, modern-day megachurches will evolve into gigantic congregations worshipping themselves and/or their leaders.

Sad, really.

Indeed!