Oh Joel, that was rude. He asked an honest question.
Not considering an other post he posted to me,I don't think he would understand.If he thinks i blow smoke,why would i think he might understand what i said here ?
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Originally Posted by Steadfast
Methinks thou blowest much smoke!
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Not considering an other post he posted to me,I don't think he would understand.If he thinks i blow smoke,why would i think he might understand what i said here ?
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Originally Posted by Steadfast
Methinks thou blowest much smoke!
Well, well, well... a little 'testy' there aren't you?
First of all, rudeness is a chosen trait and for one to be rude is generally not an 'oops, I did it again' situation. However, I can see how you thought I was being rude when, in fact, I wasn't.
You answered an earlier question about not needing training as a minister and I sincerely thought you were joking with your reply. I simply don't know anybody that doesn't need some kind of training to help establish, enhance and solidify their ministry. There is a GREAT need for training Young Ministers as, generally, only those that have a solid foundation and good training find the open doors in the Aposotlic movement.
Hence, when you came out with your 'You don't need training' type of answer I absolutley, 100% thought you were simply pulling my chain (that's 'joking / blowing smoke / stretching your blanket' in laymen terms).
Thus, when you came into this thread and made your post I figured it was another post 'blowing smoke / joking / pulling our leg' because it looked like you were saying, "I just wait for a chance to take over that service and show them how anointed I really am!"
That, sir, is why I asked for clarification. It was simply hard to tell, in light of what I thought was joking earlier, if you were 'blowing smoke / joking / pulling our leg' again or not.
Your rudeness is noted. My apology is offered. Enjoy the forum!
When I was at IBC my roommate was Josh Yohe and his dad was the late evangelist Jim Yohe. I traveled down to LA and spent time at their home several times over the years and also traveled with Jim when he was in the midwest. Jim used to telemarket for about 40-50% of his appointments. When he came back into the church and felt a call to preach in his adult years the local pastors wouldnt give him a chance since he was the "backslidden" son of his father. So he took the advice of TF Tenny and started calling pastors outside of LA and TX and he got most of his action in the midwest.
I remember sitting in his living room/den in Independence, LA and watching him book his next 3 months of appointments by phone. He told me that in the beginning it was brute force telemarketing using the UPC manual but later it got easier with referrals, but he still did alot of cold where he talked to them and then sent them a tape or article and did later followup.
I'm not a pastor, I stated that before and I think it's pretty obvious lol..
but
Having seen firsthand the damage that can be done (by an evangelist coming and preaching who hasn't heard from the Lord first) to babies in the Lord... I can completely understand churches who are careful who they have preach.
Is what we call an Evangelist in modern day, what the Bible referred to as Evangelist? Someone who comes, preaches, leaves? Or was an Evangelist something a little different in Bible terms?
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I confess that I saw a thread similar to this on another forum and thought I'd like to see the responses to the question from some of the AFF crowd.
Every Pastor I know has, at some time or another, had a telephone ring only to answer it and hear, "Hello! I know you may not know me but I'm Evangelist (Insert name here) and I just wanted you to know that I'm in the area with some time off and wanted to know if I could come preach for you while I'm in the area?"
QUESTION: Do you let them come or do you generally turn them down?
QUESTION: What is your philosophy of dealing with those calling wanting to preach for you?
QUESTION: Have you ever been 'burned' by someone and wished you hadn't let them come?
This ought to be interesting and I'll hold my viewpoints for a little while to see what others think...
Let's hear your answers!
If my father didn't know them he would ask who their pastor was. My father would call their pastor and get a feel about the evang. My dad was a friend to the evangelist and wanted to help them all.
QUESTION: Do you let them come or do you generally turn them down? Obviously if we have something else going on, it takes care of the situation right away. IF there is nothing going on, I try to find out more about the preacher before saying yes or no. If it's a name I've heard of I might be more willing to say yes over the phone.
QUESTION: What is your philosophy of dealing with those calling wanting to preach for you? Depends on whether I know them or not and what they're gifting is. If it's someone I don't know, I'm going to want references. I'll ask him who else they have preached for and I'll call a Pastor or two.
QUESTION: Have you ever been 'burned' by someone and wished you hadn't let them come? I was burned by a missionary who decided to preach personal opinions he has against what he calls "emotional worship" rather than preach a general sermon and give a report about his country. (it was his first time visiting the Church)
Tell the evangelist that since he has some time to spare, come mow the church's lawn. In fact, there are some other chores that needed to be attended too like sweeping the parking lot for instance.
On the other hand, let's hope the Pastor is a little more tuned to the Spirit of God than to listen to some jack-leg looking to pick up a few bucks by strutting in his pulpit. No one is profited by it.
Tell the evangelist that since he has some time to spare, come mow the church's lawn. In fact, there are some other chores that needed to be attended too like sweeping the parking lot for instance.
On the other hand, let's hope the Pastor is a little more tuned to the Spirit of God than to listen to some jack-leg looking to pick up a few bucks by strutting in his pulpit. No one is profited by it.
Whatever happened to the idea of servanthood?
Why do you appear to assume the worst?
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