The 1 Step Salvation plan - Page 4

OneAccord · #1 01-28-2008, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ApostolicTexas

OneAccord...are you a 1 stepper?

No, I'm not a one stepper. I say that because, though I agree with that view, I believe salvation is not a one step or even a three step process. It is a process that begins at repentance and continues until death or the 2nd coming, whichever comes first. Just as life begins at conception and continues until we die, salvation began the moment I repented of my sins. During my spiritual lifes journey I maintain my salvation by obediently following my Master. That obedience consists of much more than just water baptism. I thank God for that chilly November night when I submitted myself to water baptism in His Name. I'm thankful for the night in Janyary 1971 when a trinitarian preacher by the name of Brother R.W. Schambach laid hands on me and I recieve the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues. I'm thankful for the revelation of who Jesus is. But more than anything, I thank Him for the day that, while reading my prayers from a Catholic Prayer Book, He forgave my sins and they were washed away in the Blood of Jesus shed for me at Calvary.

ApostolicTexas · #2 01-28-2008, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord

No, I'm not a one stepper. I say that because, though I agree with that view, I believe salvation is not a one step or even a three step process. It is a process that begins at repentance and continues until death or the 2nd coming, whichever comes first. Just as life begins at conception and continues until we die, salvation began the moment I repented of my sins. During my spiritual lifes journey I maintain my salvation by obediently following my Master. That obedience consists of much more than just water baptism. I thank God for that chilly November night when I submitted myself to water baptism in His Name. I'm thankful for the night in Janyary 1971 when a trinitarian preacher by the name of Brother R.W. Schambach laid hands on me and I recieve the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues. I'm thankful for the revelation of who Jesus is. But more than anything, I thank Him for the day that, while reading my prayers from a Catholic Prayer Book, He forgave my sins and they were washed away in the Blood of Jesus shed for me at Calvary.

That is a safe anwser..

Dont you get a feeling sometimes that maybe it really dont matter?..What if a person repents gets baptized and never speaks in tongues..What if Schambach will make it to heaven being a trinitarian....questions questions

Aquila · #3 01-28-2008, 02:56 PM

If the 3 steppers are right people CANNOT get the Holy Ghost before water baptism. For God will not pour out his Spirit upon an unclean, unforgiven, unwashed, vessel. Every time GOD HIMSELF forgives and fills a repentant believer with the Holy Ghost, he testifies against the 3 stepper’s dogma.

The 3 stepper offers us theories...1 steppers have an "experience".

Jason B · #4 03-09-2008, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

If the 3 steppers are right people CANNOT get the Holy Ghost before water baptism. For God will not pour out his Spirit upon an unclean, unforgiven, unwashed, vessel. Every time GOD HIMSELF forgives and fills a repentant believer with the Holy Ghost, he testifies against the 3 stepper’s dogma.

The 3 stepper offers us theories...1 steppers have an "experience".

As long as the end result is fulfilling John 3:5 and ACTS 2:38, i don't think it matters, the biggest thing is to fulfill these 2 scriptures.

Jason B · #5 03-09-2008, 11:19 PM

Three steppers, ultra con, etc.

This board has more private labels than the grocery store.

brotherjason · #6 01-28-2008, 03:06 PM

Thanks One Accord (wish we all were). I guess I'm a third party here. I believe in strict adherence to the apostles doctrine, I preach it, I talk it and I wont say there is any other way to be saved. But I have gotten to the point that if a person dies and hasn't been baptized right or had the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues, I don't venture a guess as to where they go, at that point it is between them and God and has nothing to do with me. I know God's merciful and I am not infallible so I just leave it at that.
Lol, and if it doesn't make any sense, lol, blame it on the pain pills! Yep, I'm unfortunately on them too!

OneAccord · #7 01-28-2008, 03:54 PM

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Thanks One Accord (wish we all were). I guess I'm a third party here. I believe in strict adherence to the apostles doctrine, I preach it, I talk it and I wont say there is any other way to be saved. But I have gotten to the point that if a person dies and hasn't been baptized right or had the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues, I don't venture a guess as to where they go, at that point it is between them and God and has nothing to do with me. I know God's merciful and I am not infallible so I just leave it at that.
Lol, and if it doesn't make any sense, lol, blame it on the pain pills! Yep, I'm unfortunately on them too!

In agreement with what you say, Brother, especially the bolded part. There is no other way to be saved. No other Name. And I appreciate the fact that you don't "venture a guess". Unfortunately, many do. Like the disciples asking, "Why iis this man sick? Did he, or his parents, commit sin?". (Paraphrase). No one could answer that but Jesus the Healer. No one can answer who is saved and who is not but the Savior.

ApostolicTexas · #8 01-28-2008, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord

In agreement with what you say, Brother, especially the bolded part. There is no other way to be saved. No other Name. And I appreciate the fact that you don't "venture a guess". Unfortunately, many do. Like the disciples asking, "Why iis this man sick? Did he, or his parents, commit sin?". (Paraphrase). No one could answer that but Jesus the Healer. No one can answer who is saved and who is not but the Savior.

But Jesus prayed for those who would believe on him THROUGH the Apostles Words..{Jn 17:20)We have Acts thats tells us what they taught..it is either we line up with that..or we do not..I do not believe every denomination has it right..Only by comparing ourselves with the examples found in Acts can anyone stand sure that they have followed anf obeyed the teaching of the Apostles.

Accepting the Lord as my personal savior or saying a repeat after me prayer is not found in scripture..therefore "confess and believe" only...doctrine is just basics..and not the complete plan..we must be Born Again of water ANd of the Spirit..

OneAccord · #9 01-28-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ApostolicTexas

But Jesus prayed for those who would believe on him THROUGH the Apostles Words..{Jn 17:20)We have Acts thats tells us what they taught..it is either we line up with that..or we do not..I do not believe every denomination has it right..Only by comparing ourselves with the examples found in Acts can anyone stand sure that they have followed anf obeyed the teaching of the Apostles.

Accepting the Lord as my personal savior or saying a repeat after me prayer is not found in scripture..therefore "confess and believe" only...doctrine is just basics..and not the complete plan..we must be Born Again of water ANd of the Spirit..

I don't think ANY denomination has it right, including Apostolic denominations. They know what they know... some are close, but I think what we don't know far outweighs what we do know. I think we know how a computer works, we just don't know how it works. Some may know more about than me, but we know enough to make the computer work.

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Only by comparing ourselves with the examples found in Acts can anyone stand sure that they have followed anf obeyed the teaching of the Apostles.

I understand what you are saying here. But, Brother (and excuse me if I have that wrong), it isn't the teachings of the Apostles that we follow and obey. Paul made it clear that his teaching was the Gospel OF Jesus Christ.

I would be in complete agreement had you said:

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Only by comparing ourselves with the example of Jesus can anyone stand sure that they have followed and obeyed the teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I, in fact, do adhere to what I understand the Apostles taught. To understand fully what they taught, we must read beyond Acts 2:38.

ApostolicTexas · #10 01-29-2008, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord

I don't think ANY denomination has it right, including Apostolic denominations. They know what they know... some are close, but I think what we don't know far outweighs what we do know. I think we know how a computer works, we just don't know how it works. Some may know more about than me, but we know enough to make the computer work.

I understand what you are saying here. But, Brother (and excuse me if I have that wrong), it isn't the teachings of the Apostles that we follow and obey. Paul made it clear that his teaching was the Gospel OF Jesus Christ.

I would be in complete agreement had you said:

I, in fact, do adhere to what I understand the Apostles taught. To understand fully what they taught, we must read beyond Acts 2:38.

This where Peter opened the door...He was given the Keys...This was the message of Jesus ..Mark 16,Matthew 28:19,Luke 24:45-49 all rolled into one scripture..Peter's words are the foundation as each group found in scripture were all understood and followed His words..If anyone today does not follow these teachings...of repentance of sin,water baptism in Jesus name and recieve the Holy Ghost and yes/evidence of tongues then they are going through another door that was never opened.We to be built upon the foundation of the apostles..Ephesians 2:20..There is One body...there is no compromise...