Sickness because of sin. - Page 4

HeavenlyOne · #31 02-18-2008, 09:33 AM

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That is actually very untrue. Read about Smith Wigglesworth. There have been many who called their families together told them of their pending departure, set their affairs in order and then left. We receive what we believe. Most people believe as you have stated and they receive it. Read Heb 11:5-6 - Enoch had the testimony that he pleased God and was taken, and it is impossible to please God without faith. Therefore, Enoch must have had his faith set according to his testimony. We receive what we are willing to believe God for. Don't limit what God can do and has done for us.

I'm failing to see where Smith Wigglesworth fits into what I said. He was a faith preacher. My post had nothing to do with that.

QueenEsther · #32 02-18-2008, 09:38 AM

I haven't read through this whole thread - just the first few posts....but I want to add that my father has been an honest man since the day he got saved (when I was just 3 years old - 24 years ago!) and since then he has been a role model for christianity. If he ever did stumble he was quick to repent and get right with God. I never knew of a time where he has sinned. When he was in his early 40's he was diagnosed with a brain tumor. He went through a trial much like what Job went through - lost just about everything except his home and his family - he did loose his one and only son to the world during this time. He is still enduring the trial in my opinion. Some think he has came through it and is doing great and God has really blessed him and he has but I feel that the trial is not oever - there are too many issues left hanging over his head that were not in his life before this storm hit him - it has been almost 8 years now.......he is a different man now. In some ways better, in same ways not. I feel that this trial is NOT because he had sin or a punishment but it is a trial to see how he will endure and how he will be once he comes through on the other side!!! God spoke to my mother and told her that when the dust settles that they will be amazed and I am holding on to that promise!!!!

Tina · #33 02-18-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Sometimes, things are not as they seem. I know sinner folks who are successful and have everything going for them in life. Nothing ever goes wrong and the sun is always shining.

I know church folks who have done nothing but struggle with finances, health, and life in general. They are praying folks who are always on their knees, but nothing ever seems to go right.

But I think of it this way....would they be on their knees if everything was going right? Maybe that's God's way of keeping them there.

I've always looked at it that way. We grow closer to God by going through the trials that we face--because we spend more time in prayer while we are going through the trials.

gloryseeker · #34 02-18-2008, 10:45 AM

You're right scotty, they don't have it as long. Now the question becomes, why? The answer to that question is because when the bug starts going around people start praying for each other as they get sick. Just think what would happen if they started praying that they wouldn't get sick. At our church right before flu season we all take a flu shot. Of course it's not the kind the doctors give it's the prayer kind. We start praying that we won't catch the bug. Very few ever get sick. Those who do would be those who are not as tightly connected and probably aren't using their faith as much

gloryseeker · #35 02-18-2008, 10:48 AM

Smith Wigglesworth kept preaching the gospel until his time to go. Got dress up and prepared and departed this earth. There are benefits to being close to God. 99.99% of all Christians (including me) are living far below what God has provided for us. It is usually because we get our thinking stuck on stupid. "My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge."

HeavenlyOne · #36 02-18-2008, 10:49 AM

And it also helps when people who are sick stay home and not infect those who are healthy in the church!!

That's one of my biggest pet peeves. People coming to church all sick and infecting others. The Bible says when we are sick to call on the elders to pray, not go to church and infect everyone to get prayed for! LOL!

HeavenlyOne · #37 02-18-2008, 10:51 AM

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Smith Wigglesworth kept preaching the gospel until his time to go. Got dress up and prepared and departed this earth. There are benefits to being close to God. 99.99% of all Christians (including me) are living far below what God has provided for us. It is usually because we get our thinking stuck on stupid. "My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge."

Did you know he had kidney stones? According to a document I read, he asked for his healing but refused to see doctors about it. If that's true, than with his age at death, I'm sure his kidneys weren't functioning too well. There was a cause for his death, regardless of how he lived his life, and that's my point.

gloryseeker · #38 02-18-2008, 06:28 PM

Yes, I am totally aware of his kidney stones. He suffered from them for about 5 years, but was totally healed many years before his death. The treatment at the time was surgery and his position was that he would not allow a knife to touch his body. He felt that if he didn't have the faith to be healed he would rather die. He continued in faith until he was totally healed. It's an awesome testimony about the power of God. It also shows us that just because someone has the gift of faith and healing that they still need to use their faith for themselves. His death was not caused by sickness...study it out.

HeavenlyOne · #39 02-18-2008, 06:51 PM

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Yes, I am totally aware of his kidney stones. He suffered from them for about 5 years, but was totally healed many years before his death. The treatment at the time was surgery and his position was that he would not allow a knife to touch his body. He felt that if he didn't have the faith to be healed he would rather die. He continued in faith until he was totally healed. It's an awesome testimony about the power of God. It also shows us that just because someone has the gift of faith and healing that they still need to use their faith for themselves. His death was not caused by sickness...study it out.

You don't understand. There is something that always causes death. It may not be a sickness per se, but there is a cause. That's my point.

You know, it does make one wonder with all the faith he had why God took his wife at such a young age. That struck me as strange when reading his story.

gloryseeker · #40 02-18-2008, 09:54 PM

I will agree with you that something causes death. What I don't agree with you on is what the cause has to be. His faith had nothing to do with his wife's faith. In fact, when his wife was in ministry he was a plumber. His ministry and gifting really did not come into manifestation until after her death.

Dealing with the cause...why can't we just go when our time is done? Why can't the cause be that our spirit left our physical body? Why do we have to believe that some form of event such as sickness, which was paid by the blood, or an accident which we have been told that we can have divine protection (psalms 91) or some other thing that operates because of sin must thrust us into heaven. Why don't we believe that Jesus made a way for us to live long, healthy, and prosperous as we go about establishing His covenant in the earth?