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06-03-2008, 09:22 AM
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Re: Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?
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So do you believe you can be in rebellion against the ministry, and not be in rebellion against God?
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Depends.
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06-03-2008, 09:23 AM
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Re: Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?
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back to to the matter of hand ... if a Holiness pastor does not have this "gift of discernment of spirits" ... how does he spot Jezebel in his Holy Ghost filled church?
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Now the truth comes out !
You need lessons.
Give me the address to your church, if I am ever in your town I'll be glad to come by and point them out to you, blindfolded.
Without holiness, no gifts of the Spirit so all you have is sight. With holiness you can discern spirits and not by sight alone.
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06-03-2008, 09:24 AM
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Re: Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?
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Dan, was the Jezebel in Revelations a literal person in the church of Thyatira called Jezebel or something else?
Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Has anyone on this thread mentioned makeup and Jezebel in the same breath except you? Who are you arguing with? |
I have heard that this Jez in Rev is not the same Jez that is in the OT. Similar to when Lazarus died and Jesus brought him back alive it is told that at that time there could have been several Lazurus', similar to todays Lawrence or Larry, that were dead, but the one that was supposed to be raised up was because the voice of Jesus was specific to that Lazurus.
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06-03-2008, 09:25 AM
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Re: Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?
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So do you believe you can be in rebellion against the ministry, and not be in rebellion against God?
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Depends.
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That sure would have been News to King David
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06-03-2008, 09:25 AM
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Re: Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?
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Now the truth comes out !
You need lessons.
Give me the address to your church, if I am ever in your town I'll be glad to come by and point them out to you, blindfolded.
Without holiness, no gifts of the Spirit so all you have is sight. With holiness you can discern spirits and not by sight alone.
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Absolutely ... but
That's when Holiness eminates from God ... and not ritualistic dress.
The gifts are operating in non-Holiness dress code churches.
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06-03-2008, 09:27 AM
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Re: Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?
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So do you believe you can be in rebellion against the ministry, and not be in rebellion against God?
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Sure you can be considered rebelious against a man and not be unto God. Because a preacher says something does not make it gospel or even close to truth. Anyone can manipulate scripture to try and prove an argument. But the real truth is that rebeling against God is numero uno on the wrong list. It is QUITE possible to not obey a preaher and still be obeying God...the preacher can be wrong...God never is.
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06-03-2008, 09:29 AM
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Re: Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?
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Exactly the thrust of my post ... No evidence she was involved in said profession.
she seduced the anointed man of God and His people away from the God of Israel.
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So without Jezebel Ahab would have been perfect?
Ahab was not right before God to begin with, that is the reason he married the painted hussy.
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06-03-2008, 09:30 AM
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Re: Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?
El Predicador ... you've evaded my question ... about a Holiness pastor who may not have this gift ... perhaps we need clarifying questions
Do you believe all Holy Ghost filled saints have the gift of discernment of spirits?
And is this gift in operation in all Holiness churches?
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06-03-2008, 09:31 AM
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Re: Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK
Sure you can be considered rebelious against a man and not be unto God. Because a preacher says something does not make it gospel or even close to truth. Anyone can manipulate scripture to try and prove an argument. But the real truth is that rebeling against God is numero uno on the wrong list. It is QUITE possible to not obey a preaher and still be obeying God...the preacher can be wrong...God never is.
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We all know that being in rebellion, and being considered in rebellion, is 2 different things.
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06-03-2008, 09:32 AM
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Re: Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
I think the premise that if a woman is wearing some form of makeup she is a prostitute and not a child of God washed by the blood of the Lamb is offensive and tramples on the children of the Most High and His sacrifice.
It also condemns a great majority of women ... in Oneness Pentecost, including preachers wives, whose purses are filled w/ Estee Lauder, Looreal, Avon and Mary Kay cosmetics in their purses.
Jezebel was not notorious in Israel for eye makeup.
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Some say she IS a Jezebel for wearing makeup. And some say she is not. It's divided. I personally say it's a "spirit" of delusion. I know people(women) that wear makeup and "act " more godly than those who don't. I know men with long hair and beards that "act" more holy then some of these holy looking men in church!
We shall know them by their fruit. Not by what they wear aka outward appearance.
How can we "spot" them? I donno Dan, time? Time tells. By their fruit ye shall know them. What comes out of their mouths? Their actions. Doers of the word, not just sayers.[Do as I say, not as I do] Men can do this too, not just women. I'm not talking about men wearing womens clothes and makeup...duh 
Great subject though. Bottom line...I believe its not outward associated.
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