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Old 07-19-2008, 03:10 PM
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I don't know anything about squealing. Another Sweeping Generalization. BTW I have seen Jews dance and I have seen them rocking back and forth and walking like ducks at the wailing wall.

SHOUT UNTO THE LORD WITH THE VOICE OF TRUIMPH!

REJOICE IN THE LORD. AGAIN I SAY REJOICE.

BTW does anyone else notice the Dr attempt again to slander us as pigs? Squealing?

Also the Dr puts words in my mouth. I did not claim David did anything but dance. Is this the best you can do sir? OINK! You ever tell your family they are pigs?
PRAX are you seriously gonna use

SHOUT UNTO THE LORD WITH YOU VOICE as scriptural support of PENTECOSTAL SHOUTING?

You know what.. I'll just leave that one alone.... bye the way the key word in that scripture starts with a V
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Old 07-19-2008, 03:11 PM
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Here is what you Pentecostals are according to Dr Vaughn
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Old 07-19-2008, 03:12 PM
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You are asserting they did NOT do anything other than speak in tongues. No dancing, laughing, jumping etc etc..nothing that supposedly happens in all Pentecostal services and we ALL preach.

OINK!

and you are saying these things DID HAPPEN.. you are saying it from SILENCE

I'm saying they didnt happen from scripture.. where there is NO MENTIOn of any such thing and yet PENTECOST always uses the DAY OF PENTECOST to justify SHOUTING AND ACTING DRUNK

come on even you know its the truth
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Old 07-19-2008, 03:14 PM
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PRAX are you seriously gonna use

SHOUT UNTO THE LORD WITH YOU VOICE as scriptural support of PENTECOSTAL SHOUTING?

You know what.. I'll just leave that one alone.... bye the way the key word in that scripture starts with a V
What is wrong with shouting? Yes they shouted in the bible.

Psa 5:11 But let all who put their trust in You rejoice; let them always shout for joy, because You defend them. And let those who love Your name be joyful in You.
Psa 32:11 Be glad in Jehovah, and rejoice, you righteous; and shout for joy, all you upright in heart.
Psa 47:1 To the Chief Musician. A Psalm for the sons of Korah. Clap your hand, all you peoples; shout to God with the voice of triumph.
Psa 81:1 To the Chief Musician. On Gittith, A Psalm of Asaph. Sing aloud to God our strength; shout for joy to the God of Jacob.
Psa 132:9 Let Your priests be clothed with righteousness, and Your saints shout for joy.
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Old 07-19-2008, 03:15 PM
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and you are saying these things DID HAPPEN.. you are saying it from SILENCE

I'm saying they didnt happen from scripture.. where there is NO MENTIOn of any such thing and yet PENTECOST always uses the DAY OF PENTECOST to justify SHOUTING AND ACTING DRUNK

come on even you know its the truth
YOU are saying they did not happen simply because it was not mentioned. Im saying that is not proof they did not happen.
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Old 07-19-2008, 03:31 PM
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What is wrong with shouting? Yes they shouted in the bible.

Psa 5:11 But let all who put their trust in You rejoice; let them always shout for joy, because You defend them. And let those who love Your name be joyful in You.
Psa 32:11 Be glad in Jehovah, and rejoice, you righteous; and shout for joy, all you upright in heart.
Psa 47:1 To the Chief Musician. A Psalm for the sons of Korah. Clap your hand, all you peoples; shout to God with the voice of triumph.
Psa 81:1 To the Chief Musician. On Gittith, A Psalm of Asaph. Sing aloud to God our strength; shout for joy to the God of Jacob.
Psa 132:9 Let Your priests be clothed with righteousness, and Your saints shout for joy.
PRAX you are waaay to smart for that? Why would you defeat your own argument? You say that Pentecostal Shouting is in the Bible.. and you and i both know what we mean when we say Pentecostal SHOUTING... and your gonna bring out verses that all have to do with raising ones voice?

I can't even believe you went there.. now show me one where theres some PENTECOSTAL SHOUTING going on
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Old 07-19-2008, 03:32 PM
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YOU are saying they did not happen simply because it was not mentioned. Im saying that is not proof they did not happen.
Oh ok,, well they might been selling peanut brittle too.. since were gonna imagine from silence what they were doing
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What say ye?

The Pentecostals for years have tried to point to the "These are not drunk as ye suppose" statement to give some kind of credence to their acting drunk in church.....

Read the whole story in cotext and heres my challenge show me ONE REFERENCE where they were talking about these peoples worship... you know what never mind.. Ill do it for you

CONTEXT a beautiful thing
Acts 2:6 - Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

Why were they confounded or confused?

# 1 Because they saw people shouting all over the place.....
# 2 Because they saw people running and screaming
# 3 Because common people had broken the language barrier

BINGO #3

Now, moving right along

Acts 2:7 - And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

Why were the amazed and bewlidered and counfounded?

# 1 - The heard people laughing in the Spirit all over the place
# 2 - They saw folks leaping for joy
# 3 - Because common folks broke the language barrier

BINGO #3

Moving right along

OK HERES THE QUESTION

Acts 2:8 -And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

So what is the subject of the conversation or the question they are asking?

# 1 - Why are these people so happy
# 2 - Why are these folks dancing and shouting all over the place
# 3 - How do common folks speak in our languages

BINGO - #3

CONTEXT BREAK -- So far what is the subject at hand? TONGUES...... do you see any reference to Praise or Worship?

Great, moving right along

We skip verse 9,10 & 11 because it is just listing all the languages they heard them speaking in

So we pick up at verse 12 to find the CONTEXT,., whether it be worship and shouting or whether it be something else..... the PENTECOSTALS desperatly need for it to be worship and shouting

Acts 2:12 - And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

Question- What were they amazed at?

# 1 - Peoples ability to shout and not get hurt?
# 2 - Peoples ability to dance uncontrollably
# 3 - Peoples ability to speak in foreign languages

BINGo # 3 - They are wanting to know all about this ability to break the language barrier and here they are trying to figure out where this new ability has come from.. they marvelled, they were amazed

and with this context in mind... we come to the next scripture

Acts 2:13 - Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

WHY DID THEY ACCUSE THEM OF DRINKING NEW WINE?

With all of the above scriptures taken in context please answer the following questions

#1 - because they saw them acting drunk
#2 - because they saw them shouting
#3 - because they heard them break the language barrier

BINGO # 3 --- had NOTHING TO DO WITH Pentecostal emotionalism

Acts 2:15 - For these are not drunken, as ye suppose

No sir,,, they didn't get this ability from a new wine... they got this ability from on high..... as prophesied by Joel... God said he would speak to his people with stammering lips and foreign lanagues.. and this is what you are seeing


So help me OLDPATHS... did you see a PENTECOSTAL service happening anywhere in the study of context?
Dr Vaughn, I agree scripture does not support uncontrolled and disorderly or out-of-control "worship".

As Prax has said it still may have occurred - the fact is we don't know for sure.

I tend to think there certainly must be limits to all happenings in an assembly, considering Paul's strong admonition of considering the unbeliever who is among us. Therefore the oft used "worship" is always in order, regardless of it's appearance - cannot be true. The same goes for speaking in tongues.
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Old 07-19-2008, 04:06 PM
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Dr Vaughn, I agree scripture does not support uncontrolled and disorderly or out-of-control "worship".

As Prax has said it still may have occurred - the fact is we don't know for sure.

I tend to think there certainly must be limits to all happenings in an assembly, considering Paul's strong admonition of considering the unbeliever who is among us. Therefore the oft used "worship" is always in order, regardless of it's appearance - cannot be true. The same goes for speaking in tongues.
We agree wholeheartedly... these people misunderstand me.. in church I rejoice.. i worship,,, I sing aloud.. I cry,, I pray.... I worship God but I firmly stand against the fleshism that takes over.. while everyone stands and watches somebody shout... talk about Idolatry,, focusing on shows of flesh was never in Gods plan... your post was enjoyable
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