UPCI Ministers and Televison

[jimmyrrs]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

I'm not agains't the UPCI,I'm not apart of it,hows does the manual explain the difference about advertising on TV,and a person owning one ?

Charnock has it correct.

[jimmyrrs]

Originally Posted by Charnock

According to the UPCI bylaws, a minister can...

• Have a television program, but not a television.
  
• Advertise on television, but not own one.
  
• Watch anything on the internet, including porn, but not own a television.
  
• Watch television anywhere but in his own home, unless his wife or kids "own" the television.
  
• Purchase full seasons of television programs.

Herein is the problem with legalism. There is always a loophole. A minister can watch anything, literally ANYTHING on the internet. Shows from abc.com, cbs.com, fox.com and much more of the exact same content found on the box we call television.

The trouble is, you seem to worship the almighty manual. Why not return to the Word of God?

What does the Word of God say about lying?

[jimmyrrs]

Originally Posted by Charnock

So, if you are you are not in the UPCI, why in the world do you even care?

Do I detect bitterness?

Two words.

Move on.

No bitterness, because I love the UPCI. I think it's a shame it happens. Ministers calling it whatever tv or monitor and as someone said they can get it all from the internet plus some. But no hard core stand from the UPCI on the internet.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

No bitterness, because I love the UPCI. I think it's a shame it happens. Ministers calling it whatever tv or monitor and as someone said they can get it all from the internet plus some. But no hard caore stand from the UPCI on the internet.

If you love it so much, why are you not a part of it.?

[jimmyrrs]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Are you saying that owning a TV should be the "litmus" test for fellowship?

Certainly, you're not serious? Of all the things a minister could be doing and some ARE doing, you're concerned about someone committing the heinous crime of owning a TV? MANY UPC officials own TV's. Dude, the camel's nose is in the tent and you're just a wee bit too late on this one!

There is absolutely NO WAY that "they" will EVER rid the UPC of TV. It's just too late and the internet has made it a moot point anyway!

I will fellowship with most all. Even those that did tell the White Lie

I own a tv and watch it. But if a minister will say what ever to get a license where doe he stand?

[jimmyrrs]

Originally Posted by scotty

Oh puulleezzz. Put down the "self righteous" bull horn.

You ask "where is their love for the truth" and then in the next sentence talk about standing for the "Word of God". Yet your argument is against a rule of man not the Word of God..

I have spoken to some pastors also and have found that the general opinion is they will sign the little card because over all the UPC is a good organization to be a part of. But they do not neccesarily agree with everything. I am a member of a UPC church. We have members who don't adhere to the "custom" standards but are still very much Holy Ghost filled saints of God.

If they have a TV in their home and use it to watch dvd's or such.. oh well.

Personally its a double standard to allow internet without restrictions but not TV. Another falicy of the UPC. They have several. But I have always been a member and don't fore see that changing. It is a great group in bringing together the body of Christ.

Funny, everyone claims we can not be perfect yet they expect UPC to be perfect. Of course thats probably because its in the manual that the UPC is perfect. Forgot what section, paragraph, article.

Scotty, I must ask am I to obey those that have rule over me? If so does the UPCI set the rules that a UPCI minister should follow? Yes it is a good organization but as all do it has problems. You said "It is a great group in bringing together the body of Christ". Did Chist tell lies.

[jimmyrrs]

Originally Posted by scotty

If you love it so much, why are you not a part of it.?

I'm very much a part of it my friend. I'm licsensed with the ALJC's because I could not/would not tell that lie on the paper and I attend a UPCI church where I am the assisitant pastor.
I have a great pastor who stands by me and understands where I'm coming from and helped me get into the ALJC.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

Scotty, I must ask am I to obey those that have rule over me? If so does the UPCI set the rules that a UPCI minister should follow? Yes it is a good organization but as all do it has problems. You said "It is a great group in bringing together the body of Christ". Did Chist tell lies.

Hmmm. good point ! So if those directly over us do not obey those over them then we should just walk away or ignore their rule.

Coool. That would include pretty much every police officer, mayor, governor, district attorney............. well , now that you mention it, I guess our momma's was just simply wrong to tell us what to do.

Starting to see why Jesus saved perfection for resurection instead of at salvation? We can't handle it.

[jimmyrrs]

Originally Posted by scotty

Hmmm. good point ! So if those directly over us do not obey those over them then we should just walk away or ignore their rule.

Coool. That would include pretty much every police officer, mayor, governor, district attorney............. well , now that you mention it, I guess our momma's was just simply wrong to tell us what to do.

Starting to see why Jesus saved perfection for resurection instead of at salvation? We can't handle it.

LOL. As you say Scotty. As you say.
On a different note I see you're from Arkansas. Same here. What part.
White Hall

[TRFrance]

I dont know why some of you choose to cloud the issue, when the issue is actually pretty straightforward here.

If they sign something saying they wont own a TV in their homes, then they should honor their word. To do otherwise is dishonest. Plain and simple, it's lying.

If they insist they want to have a TV in their house, then they shouldn't sign something pledging that they wont own one. Again, if a man signs an agreement knowing that he intends to violate it (or is already violating it and plans to keep doing so), then he's not being truthful. What's wrong with expecting a man to keep his word?

It's not even an issue of whether it's acceptable or not for an Apostolic minister to have a TV at home. That's not being debated here; and good men can and will always disagree on that issue. But I think we should all be able to agree that if a man gives his word, verbally or by signing something, he should keep his word. That is the honorable way for a man to conduct himself, not just before man, but also in the sight of God.