If Conservative Oneness Pentecostals Governed America...

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I would hope that our UC brethren would not impose a theocracy on the total population. However, I have recently visited a community in Waco, TX that reflects a Mennonite type environment and it is "ruled" by some "apostolics." Further, there is a remnant of a group that V. Bean was associated with in Terrell, TX that has a similar rule over their people. So there is good evidence that it could be a very repressive context.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I would hope that our UC brethren would not impose a theocracy on the total population. However, I have recently visited a community in Waco, TX that reflects a Mennonite type environment and it is "ruled" by some "apostolics." Further, there is a remnant of a group that V. Bean was associated with in Terrell, TX that has a similar rule over their people. So there is good evidence that it could be a very repressive context.

Crackerjack,

I know a little about the group you are speaking about. Ironically enough they came out of Kenneth Phillips church I believe back in the late 1970's or early 1980's before I got there in March of 1983.

They are certainly a fringe element of Pentecost. Back around 1990 I worked (in Austin) with an elderly lady from church. She had told me about Howard Wheeler and his group. She said that she would occasionally run across some of the ladies in the grocery store and that they would pointedly ignore her, turn their head the other way, etc. I found that funny because this older lady was as "holiness" looking as you can get. no makeup, grey haired bun, plain clothing, etc. Of course it was not as plain as those ladies were though.

One day I was coming back from lunch and noticed that a workman who had been hired to do some work at my place of employment was bounding up the stairs ahead of me and heading into where my office was.

When he got to the top of the stairs he froze like a deer caught in car headlights. He stared frozen for many seconds then reluctantlly opened the door and went on in. Once in I saw what he had seen. This elderly lady! Once he made the decision to go in I think he knew he could not be rude so he did speak to her. Once he left she told me he was part of Howard Wheelers group she had been tellling me about. Once she said that it made sense why he had reacted the way he had. He was trying to figure out if he could avoid her.

I don't know what they evolved into but they were really wacky back then. They were big time into excommunicating people, public confessions at church, etc, etc.

When I heard about this "community" they started it did not surprise me. Unless they have changed a lot they think everyone visiting them including good conservative old time Pentecostals are going to bust hell wide open!!

Which just goes to show you (as Elder Epley has also pointed out) that everyone to someone is a liberal.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by CC1

Crackerjack,

I know a little about the group you are speaking about. Ironically enough they came out of Kenneth Phillips church I believe back in the late 1970's or early 1980's before I got there in March of 1983.

They are certainly a fringe element of Pentecost. Back around 1990 I worked (in Austin) with an elderly lady from church. She had told me about Howard Wheeler and his group. She said that she would occasionally run across some of the ladies in the grocery store and that they would pointedly ignore her, turn their head the other way, etc. I found that funny because this older lady was as "holiness" looking as you can get. no makeup, grey haired bun, plain clothing, etc. Of course it was not as plain as those ladies were though.

One day I was coming back from lunch and noticed that a workman who had been hired to do some work at my place of employment was bounding up the stairs ahead of me and heading into where my office was.

When he got to the top of the stairs he froze like a deer caught in car headlights. He stared frozen for many seconds then reluctantlly opened the door and went on in. Once in I saw what he had seen. This elderly lady! Once he made the decision to go in I think he knew he could not be rude so he did speak to her. Once he left she told me he was part of Howard Wheelers group she had been tellling me about. Once she said that it made sense why he had reacted the way he had. He was trying to figure out if he could avoid her.

I don't know what they evolved into but they were really wacky back then. They were big time into excommunicating people, public confessions at church, etc, etc.

When I heard about this "community" they started it did not surprise me. Unless they have changed a lot they think everyone visiting them including good conservative old time Pentecostals are going to bust hell wide open!!

Which just goes to show you (as Elder Epley has also pointed out) that everyone to someone is a liberal.

I visited Kenneth Phillips in the late 70's with a team from Plano when Anthony Mangun was our pastor. Interesting HW was one of the leaders at WOP that KP had us to meet with, we were trying to build an outreach team in Plano. At that time he was very inspiring to listen to, and was a firebrand in Austin. I also had heard him preach at a conference at Truth Church in Ft. Worth, I am not familiar with how he got where he is now.

Yes, the visitors are for one thing and that is to bring in the bucks in for their furniture, construction company and food. Hey, like I said it is a neat place to visit. Even though it raised questions in my mind as I observed that the residents lived in mobile homes while they show incredible craftsmanship in construction and furniture building. The ladies wear homemade clothes which seems to be sort of a costume for the era, however the men wear store bought clothes. I definitely sensed bondage and oppression in trying to talk to the folks working on site, because I asked questions that most visitors wouldn't ask.

This kind of rule is what the Christian nationalists want for America (those who adhere to dominion theology and Christian reconstructionism as taught by Rousas Rushdoony and his son-in-law Gary North, among others). They want the "moral" Law of Moses to become the law of the land.

I don't think that will ever happen, though. In fact, I see America going the socialist/globalist way of Europe. Even so-called "conservatives" in the Republican Party have shown themselves to have globalist and big government leanings.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Chan

This kind of rule is what the Christian nationalists want for America (those who adhere to dominion theology and Christian reconstructionism as taught by Rousas Rushdoony and his son-in-law Gary North, among others). They want the "moral" Law of Moses to become the law of the land.

I don't think that will ever happen, though. In fact, I see America going the socialist/globalist way of Europe. Even so-called "conservatives" in the Republican Party have shown themselves to have globalist and big government leanings.

Very true and I have seen that more these last two terms than ever before.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Chan

This kind of rule is what the Christian nationalists want for America (those who adhere to dominion theology and Christian reconstruction ism as taught by Rousas Rushdoony and his son-in-law Gary North, among others). They want the "moral" Law of Moses to become the law of the land.

I don't think that will ever happen, though. In fact, I see America going the socialist/globalist way of Europe. Even so-called "conservatives" in the Republican Party have shown themselves to have globalist and big government leanings.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Very true and I have seen that more these last two terms than ever before.

What exactly is a socialist/ globalist way??

Do you think All religion will be outlawed?

Originally Posted by COOPER

What exactly is a socialist/ globalist way??

Do you think All religion will be outlawed?

A "socialist/globalist way" is a governing philosophy that insists on international government and "big government" that comes up with all kinds of programs to run the lives of the citizens and "take care" of them from cradle to grave. It limits individual liberty in favor of "national" or "international" security.

Here we have a self-proclaimed expert on "Pentecost" insinuating that "conservative Oneness Pentecostals" are simply a Christianised version of the Taliban.

Nice, CC1, your credibility is soaring.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Eliseus

Here we have a self-proclaimed expert on "Pentecost" insinuating that "conservative Oneness Pentecostals" are simply a Christianised version of the Taliban.

Nice, CC1, your credibility is soaring.

Well I do expect them to strap on Bombs.

Why don't you folks just come right on out and say it - you hate us, and what we stand for.

I mean, let's have our little "group therapy" session, it'll be cathartic for you guys. Just say it. Just let it out, tell us how you REALLY feel.

To suggest that we are a Taliban-in-Waiting is beyond the pale of any "good natured ribbing", it is not capable of being passed off as "poetic hyperbole".

You think we are EVIL, and you think our beliefs are EVIL.

Do you guys have the guts to step up to the plate and be HONEST?

Here, *I* can be honest. I think folks who like to compare "conservative Pentecostals" to the Taliban are lost, plain and simple, are deceived, are ensared by the devil, and possibly may be reprobate and beyond hope.

But that's just my opinion, which of course means no more than the opinions of Taliban terrorists... right?

lol