Jerry Ensey wrote a great article on the Light Doc

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Saved by what? If not by the cross, then by what? By following the Law? Being a (converted) Jew?

The cross did not introduce salvation--but it did change the experience, and the accessibility.

What he said is shocking, isn't it? In effect he is saying Jesus died for no reason. His death means nothing. And we didn't need a new covenant. All contrary to what is taught by the apostles and Jesus Himself.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

I am sorry mabey I am hard headed but I really don't think jesus death,burieal (sp)resurrection has anything to do with salvation cause people were save before he died also

Then why do you think he went to the cross?

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Huh? You don't think His sacrifice affects our salvation? Of course people were saved prior to the cross--but the entire methodology was changed at the cross!!!!!

Originally Posted by mizpeh

What he said is shocking, isn't it? In effect he is saying Jesus died for no reason. His death means nothing. And we didn't need a new covenant. All contrary to what is taught by the apostles and Jesus Himself.

People were saved prior to the cross because of the promise of the sacrifice. If Jesus had not died then everyone would be lost.

Salvation has always been about faith in the coming Messiah. However, it took time for that to be revealed. All the types and shadows of the old testament pointed to Jesus Christ.

[n david]

Yikes ... so Jesus' death on the cross was all for show? People already saved without the sacrifice.

Need to study the Bible a little more ...

[Sam]

Jesus is called the lamb slain from the foundation of the world in Revelation 13:8. Salvation has always been through the death of Jesus on the cross and then His subsequent burial and resurrection. Prior to the cross they looked ahead to the cross and that sacrifice was pictured every time an animal was sacrificed all the way from the animal sacrifice in Genesis three until the lambs who died at the Temple the day before Jesus died. We now look back to that sacrifice on the cross and it is pictured every time we have communion.

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

There is NO doctrine of Grace outside the Death-Burial-Resurrection and our identity with by obeying Acts 2:38. NOT ONE person since Pentecost has had their sins remitted without the preacher invoking the Name of Jesus in baptism.

This 3-stepper can AMEN that with 99.9% certainty!

-Bro. Alex

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Sam

Jesus is called the lamb slain from the foundation of the world in Revelation 13:8. Salvation has always been through the death of Jesus on the cross and then His subsequent burial and resurrection. Prior to the cross they looked ahead to the cross and that sacrifice was pictured every time an animal was sacrificed all the way from the animal sacrifice in Genesis three until the lambs who died at the Temple the day before Jesus died. We now look back to that sacrifice on the cross and it is pictured every time we have communion.

Exactly

What he said

Originally Posted by Steve Epley View Post
There is NO doctrine of Grace outside the Death-Burial-Resurrection and our identity with by obeying Acts 2:38. NOT ONE person since Pentecost has had their sins remitted without the preacher invoking the Name of Jesus in baptism.

You are of course correct. There has not been "NOT ONE"........

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Sam

Jesus is called the lamb slain from the foundation of the world in Revelation 13:8. Salvation has always been through the death of Jesus on the cross and then His subsequent burial and resurrection. Prior to the cross they looked ahead to the cross and that sacrifice was pictured every time an animal was sacrificed all the way from the animal sacrifice in Genesis three until the lambs who died at the Temple the day before Jesus died. We now look back to that sacrifice on the cross and it is pictured every time we have communion.

Correct!

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Luke did the thief die before or after Jesus or do you know?

Doesn't matter the gospel was about the DBR not just the death. Also Baptism is about burial as well and we was not buried yet.

The thief most likely died after Jesus!

[Shawn]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Doesn't matter the gospel was about the DBR not just the death. Also Baptism is about burial as well and we was not buried yet.

The thief most likely died after Jesus!

I'd agree.....most likely after they broke his legs.