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05-04-2009, 09:03 PM
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Re: ~Oh, My, The Father, Word and Spirit don't agr
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Unfortunately there is zero hard evidence that it is an interpolation
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Hard evidence as in manuscripts of Matt besides the one later than the 4th century... yes you are correct. Direct quotations of the verse by Erasmus that support that it was not the same .... Yes! We have direct comments from Erasmus that do not support the current ending, let alone the Catholic Church admitting it was changed.
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05-04-2009, 09:07 PM
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Re: ~Oh, My, The Father, Word and Spirit don't agr
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So is God going to send people to hell for obeying a verse that is in their Bible?
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Like Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Not sure but I would not want to find out!
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05-04-2009, 10:57 PM
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Re: ~Oh, My, The Father, Word and Spirit don't agr
I believe God had the will and ability to keep the Bible free from error.
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05-04-2009, 11:14 PM
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Re: ~Oh, My, The Father, Word and Spirit don't agr
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I believe God had the will and ability to keep the Bible free from error.
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I hope your right. But with which translation?
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05-04-2009, 11:55 PM
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Re: ~Oh, My, The Father, Word and Spirit don't agr
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Sure, "Misquoting Jesus" by Bart D. Ehrman, chapter three "Texts of the New Testament".
It is some interesting reading, though I disagree with his conclusions. Bart chairs the Dept. of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. It is ironic that he is agnostic at best, atheist at worst.
Don't know if it is on line or not.
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Thanks, I hope I can find it.
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05-05-2009, 12:07 AM
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Re: ~Oh, My, The Father, Word and Spirit don't agr
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Hard evidence as in manuscripts of Matt besides the one later than the 4th century... yes you are correct. Direct quotations of the verse by Erasmus that support that it was not the same .... Yes! We have direct comments from Erasmus that do not support the current ending, let alone the Catholic Church admitting it was changed.
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Erasmus...Im not sure of his credibility at this point considering the comma. What is Erasmus quoting? An earlier MS that no longer exists? An early church father? An extra biblical document like the Didache?
Do you have a link where I can read about Erasmus quoted this reading?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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05-05-2009, 01:19 AM
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Re: ~Oh, My, The Father, Word and Spirit don't agr
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It is the end of the gospel of Mark 16th chapter.
Understanding textual criticism will do wonders for your faith in the veracity and inerrancy of the Bible. For both higher and lower criticisms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textual_criticism
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05-05-2009, 06:21 AM
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Re: ~Oh, My, The Father, Word and Spirit don't agr
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Erasmus...Im not sure of his credibility at this point considering the comma. What is Erasmus quoting? An earlier MS that no longer exists? An early church father? An extra biblical document like the Didache?
Do you have a link where I can read about Erasmus quoted this reading?
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No Erasmus the historian in the 4th century!
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05-05-2009, 08:31 AM
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Re: ~Oh, My, The Father, Word and Spirit don't agr
The Bible is the anvil that wears the hammers of the critics out.
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05-05-2009, 10:03 AM
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Re: ~Oh, My, The Father, Word and Spirit don't agr
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
The Bible is the anvil that wears the hammers of the critics out.
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Steve,
I am not a critic of scripture, I believe in the inerrancy/inspiration of scripture. God has preserved his word, but man has a role to. Just as God has preserved His Church, man messes it up.
The other point being I do not put my head in the sand when it comes to an obvious discrepancy. Plus the text being a proof text for trinitarians to prove their doctrine.
It doesn't change my view or use of scripture, just pointing out a historical tidbit.
keith
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