When Fashion Controls the Church.... - Page 4

Pastor Keith · #31 04-24-2007, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by OGIA

rr, in my limited time back in the "church" (4 years now), I've seen the same thing you are talking about. I just wonder why you harp on and seem to limit it to the conservative churches? Anywho..........

I agree that there are far too many who use church as an occassion to dress to "the nines". There's nothing inherently wrong with that until it becomes an issue of the flesh. I have to be aware of it myself, being blessed with things in the clothing realm that others may not have.

But, brother, why do you focus so much on the conservative churches? Do you think "they" are exempt from error? YOU, like my wife (who is not in truth and WILL NOT even visit my church), seem to think that because a particular church holds to a stricter standard of dress that ALL are perfect. That's silly.

Why don't you mention the ones who DO dress modestly, because these are the ones who have it "right" (pun intended). My best friend and his wife are getting more and more conservative the longer they are in church (he prayed through a week before I did). He is now licensed locally. He and his wife are a class act when it comes to standards. You NEVER see her wearing anything flashy, yet she looks like she could met the President (or more importantly, the LORD!) at anytime of the day. Yeah, she "dresses down" sometimes, but she still looks very classy.

Why don't you talk about those people? Why do you think everyone is perfect or has this standards thing down, exhibiting humility and grace?

Why? Just for argument's sake, I think. Quit grouping everyone in the same class. If you want to start dressing more casual in your church (if you haven't), then PLEASE, PLEASE......go ahead! Don't try to justify it by others' faults.

It just seems like you're trying to justify a desire for wanting to change to be more casual by attacking what the ones who don't live the conservative life to YOUR standards (no pun intended) do. Just because they get caught up in the flesh doesn't mean that there's not a group who don't.

The issue is not putting anything that causes people to stumble over before they get to see Jesus. We have to become more missional in our churches approach in reaching people.

A fisherman (Randy Should Know this to well) doesn't fish with bait he likes, he fishes what is attractive to the fish. Pentecost has got to become more incarnational in its approach. In case your wondering what that means Jesus (God) incarnated himself in flesh, a specific culture with the practices of that culture. He didn't demand allegiance to his nature and his holiness first before a relationship could be established.

Dressing up is tradition, nothing wrong with it, but sinners and outcasts shouldn't feel intimidated by it and be blinded so they can't see the true celebrity and ultimate friend of sinners, Jesus.

Steve Epley · #32 04-24-2007, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Carpenter

I used to go to church with a guy (who now has a minister's license) who worshiped labels more than his Father in heaven.

I have never seen anyone like him. He was telling me how his kid HAD to wear a certain label from Dillards/Macy's and his wife, the purses and shoes, his Calloway slacks and golf clubs and his Mercedes and his coffee creamer...

He also told me how he was making a sacrifice so that he could belong to a semi-public golf course that was long as a putt putt, but he had to maintain his lifestyle.

...I found out however he was doing alot of this charade using the equity in his house. Whadda moron! Talk about worshiping wood hay and stubble.

What foolishness God certainly would not be pleased with this I agree particularly that golf business.

ILG · #33 04-24-2007, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by revrandy

Sis.. we are not all without fault here...

I'm just addressing an issue that some have... NOT all...

That is why I clarified saying "I am speaking in generalizations here".

revrandy · #34 04-24-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OGIA

How would you like me to address it other than what I already posted? I told you that some have it and some don't. Some like to look nice, but that's not what going to church is about.

Why don't you address why you constantly harp on conservative churches (which you claim to pastor, if I'm not mistaken) as if they are full of PERFECT saints?

Why not address that humans are imperfect and that you can find this type of attitude in probably EVERY church in this world??

Never claimed to Pastor..you are mistaken...

OGIA... Are bait & switching??

OGIA · #35 04-24-2007, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG

I think one reason is that conservative churches (I am speaking in generalizations here) are hypocritical in that they focus SO MUCH on adornment saying WE are the ones who TRULY follow the scripture here!! And then often violate the spirit of the letter in dress while following every church rule.

Well, what about the liberal who is into "casual" but who does the very same thing as these conservatives do on Sunday morning? I've been to some liberal churches where it is quite evident some dressed for the crowd and not for the Lord.

It's all over the Chrisitian world. Why focus on one group? Well, it's evident why, but it doesn't wash.

OGIA · #36 04-24-2007, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by revrandy

Never claimed to Pastor..you are mistaken...

My bad. From here and CAF I gathered that you were.

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OGIA... Are bait & switching??

If I am, I don't know it, because I'm not quite sure what the tactic entails.

Enlighten me.

warrior81680 · #37 04-24-2007, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Now we're talkin'!!!

K & G is my favorite place to go so I can dress to the "nines" and only pay to the "twos!"

A bit slow today....

Some help me with a def on K&G, please?

Pastor Keith · #38 04-24-2007, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by OGIA

Well, what about the liberal who is into "casual" but who does the very same thing as these conservatives do on Sunday morning? I've been to some liberal churches where it is quite evident some dressed for the crowd and not for the Lord.

It's all over the Chrisitian world. Why focus on one group? Well, it's evident why, but it doesn't wash.

Because basically it's inconsistent.

ForeverBlessed · #39 04-24-2007, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by revrandy

Sis.. we are not all without fault here...

I'm just addressing an issue that some have... NOT all...

I know exactly what issue are addressing. True modesty comes from the heart and encompasses much more than being covered.

It is being discussed in a 3 part series on Family Life Today..

http://www.familylife.com/fltoday/default.asp

OGIA · #40 04-24-2007, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by keith4him

The issue is not putting anything that causes people to stumble over before they get to see Jesus. We have to become more missional in our churches approach in reaching people.

A fisherman (Randy Should Know this to well) doesn't fish with bait what he likes, he fishes what is attractive to the fish. Pentecost has got to become more incarnational in its approach. In case your wondering what that means Jesus (God) incarnated himself in flesh, a specific culture with the practices of that culture. He didn't demand allegiance to his nature and his holiness first before a relationship could be established.

Dressing up is tradition, nothing wrong with it, but sinners and outcasts shouldn't feel intimidated by it and be blinded so they can't see the true celebrity and ultimate friend of sinners, Jesus.

I can't disagree with anything here, so I'm not sure why you quoted me?