Robert Sabin Responds to the Ankerberg Debate - Page 4

Sam · #31 07-31-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

the PCI folks. Where are they today?

There are still some of us around who hold to a PCI point of view.
Some of us aren't afraid to voice it.
Others are afraid to voice it because of how they would be treated by those of the PAJC view.

Mr. Smith · #32 07-31-2010, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Did you mean "Traitor daggers" ? Don't quite follow you.

This recording that JN has shared is old news, but useful. You are correct, however, to call for some newer material. At least IMHO.

Robert Sabin has a web site up currently at http://www.whoisjesus.com/intro.html. But the site doesn't appear to have been updated in years.

How about it folks? Is this issue even germane anymore? Before we slap "Mr. Smith" around why don't we ask why there hasn't been any new material produced on this topic since the turn of the century.

The UPC is bogged down in a war over the appropriate length of one's knickers. When "Oneness/Trinity" does come up, it's on the table just long enough to send all of the Trinitarians and most of the Oneness folks to hell... and then we're right back to examining each other's knickers.

Do any of the other groups have cogent and relevant thoughts on the nature of God?

"Traitor" would be correct. I was making a joke with "trader", play on words type of thing, which is why I put the word in parentheses. Maybe the joke didn't work.

Mr. Smith · #33 07-31-2010, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Mow I am glad you posted this. It was my inclination as well, but I don't claim to know him very well.

There we go folks. Sounds like the arguments Sabin made then concerning Trinitarian/Oneness perspectives are still valid and "fresh".

Yes, but the other stuff would make a difference in his positioning and I believe the step stuff was brought up in the waste-of-time debate that was held.

Praxeas · #34 07-31-2010, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

There are still some of us around who hold to a PCI point of view.
Some of us aren't afraid to voice it.
Others are afraid to voice it because of how they would be treated by those of the PAJC view.

All the PCI guys should form their own org, unless there is already one

pelathais · #35 07-31-2010, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

the PCI folks. Where are they today?

The vast majority are still in the UPCI - I think. This is at least my impression. There are of course a large number in various other orgs or no org at all.

Read this excerpt from the PCI Manual again. As a Christian Oneness believer, do you like this statement and prefer it over what Nathaniel Urshan said to Walter Martin on that day; or do you espouse NAU's garbled, incoherent and politically expedient statement he made to Walter Martin that day?

It is an important question. Were those men "just arguing semantics" or were they arguing important doctrines that define what it is to be a Christian believer?

Sam · #36 07-31-2010, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

All the PCI guys should form their own org, unless there is already one

As far as I know there is no current organization that conforms to the PCI manual as it read in 1945 just before the UPC was formed.

Bro. Kidson did pull out of the UPC and form an organization. I think it was in 1954 and I think the organization still exists but I can't remember its name. I was receiving their organizational newsletter for a while but I haven't received one for quite a while.

Another alternative to forming a PCI organization would have been for the ministers in the UPC to have lived up to the spirit of the merger and as defined in the fundamental doctrine statement adopted in 1945.

Praxeas · #37 08-01-2010, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

The vast majority are still in the UPCI - I think. This is at least my impression. There are of course a large number in various other orgs or no org at all.

Read this excerpt from the PCI Manual again. As a Christian Oneness believer, do you like this statement and prefer it over what Nathaniel Urshan said to Walter Martin on that day; or do you espouse NAU's garbled, incoherent and politically expedient statement he made to Walter Martin that day?

It is an important question. Were those men "just arguing semantics" or were they arguing important doctrines that define what it is to be a Christian believer?

I think it's a great statement and to be preferred.

Hoovie · #38 08-01-2010, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam

There are still some of us around who hold to a PCI point of view.
Some of us aren't afraid to voice it.
Others are afraid to voice it because of how they would be treated by those of the PAJC view.

I know many in the UPC like that...

JN Anderson · #39 08-01-2010, 07:05 AM

Someone is supposed to be mailing me the VHS of Sabin vs Bowman (Minn). If anyone has anything like this they would like to mail me I will convert to DVD or mp3 and try to get up on my website. Thanks! I appreciate all the comments as well. I think this issue is one worth thinking about.

Sabby · #40 09-21-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Robt. Sabin is a good friend and was one of my mentors. He is just as oneness now as he ever was. However, he is NOT a 3 stepper like when he was at ABI.

MoW,

I only know Robt. Sabin by his good reputation. Forgive me for the question, but what exactly is a 3 stepper? I've seen the term used on a few threads but want to know what it means before opening mouth and inserting foot.
Thanks.