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[coadie]

Originally Posted by Falla39

What do you mean, "After his conversion, he attempted murder, denied Christ with vulgarities while Christ was being crucified, was arrogant, was a racist, and was the first legalist in the early church". You are speaking of
Peter BEFORE his conversion. No power!

After his conversion, at Pentecost, he was a changed man. He was put in jail, along with John, for preaching the name of Jesus at the gate, Beautiful. A lame man was healed and it so stirred up some people, that Peter and John were put in jail. After getting released, they went back out and preached the name of Jesus again. Acts 3. YES, Peter was changed after his conversion at Pentecost.

Jesus told his disciples that they would receive power AFTER that the Holy Ghost was come upon them. That they would be witnesses unto him both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Act 1:8
We still receive power AFTER that the Holy Ghost has come upon us. If we haven't receive power, could it be that the Holy Ghost hasn't come upon us! We should have power to witness, power to overcome sin, etc. IT does NOT say power to argue. But power to witness of the saving NAME of JESUS!
We must receive the Holy Ghost as the scripture hath said!

Falla39

Great work. Before the Cross and the Day of pentecost, they were under the law and not Holy Ghost filled. Great example of carnal man.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

How much did Peter "Change"?

After his conversion, he attempted murder, denied Christ with vulgarities while Christ was being crucified, was arrogant, was a racist, and was the first legalist in the early church.

Exactly how well would you like for everyone to perform?

You need a home bible study. The first chapter and verses of the gospels are NOT the end of the Law. The cross and blood atonement are the new salvation. Have you recieved the Holy Ghost since you believed?

[Falla39]

I've said before and I will say it again and again, if we have not received the Holy Ghost
as the scripture hath said, we cannot SEE/COMPREHEND the WORD properly! We cannot
understand what we do not see clearly! The Holy Ghost or Spirit of God opens our under-
standing that we might understand the scriptures.

Falla39

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Actually, I'm pretty open minded.

I believe practice is more important than doctrine. By that I mean that I think how someones lives their life in service to Christ, is far more important that what was said over them when they were baptized, whetehr or not they can explain the complexities of the Godhead, or if they have spoken unintelligle "words".

To explain further, when I say that practice is more important than doctrine, I don't mean that someone can do enough good works to earn salvation, neither do I mean that doctrine doesn't matter.

Doctrine does matter, but the problem in the church is decideing which doctrines ACTUALLY matter. What is worth breaking fellowship over? The fact that we as the church universal cannot agree on what is essential and non essential is severly hampering the impact the church could have on the world, and crippling the christian witness as a whole in the world.

What are those doctrines? I think hebrews 6:1-3 are a really good starting point, IMO. Unfortunaetly these things will probably not completely work themselves out until severe persecution (tribulation) hits, or until the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Good teaching here "Jesus' Teaching on Salvation"
http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons...ship+Salvation

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Falla39

What do you mean, "After his conversion, he attempted murder, denied Christ with vulgarities while Christ was being crucified, was arrogant, was a racist, and was the first legalist in the early church". You are speaking of
Peter BEFORE his conversion. No power!

After his conversion, at Pentecost, he was a changed man. He was put in jail, along with John, for preaching the name of Jesus at the gate, Beautiful. A lame man was healed and it so stirred up some people, that Peter and John were put in jail. After getting released, they went back out and preached the name of Jesus again. Acts 3. YES, Peter was changed after his conversion at Pentecost.

Jesus told his disciples that they would receive power AFTER that the Holy Ghost was come upon them. That they would be witnesses unto him both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Act 1:8
We still receive power AFTER that the Holy Ghost has come upon us. If we haven't receive power, could it be that the Holy Ghost hasn't come upon us! We should have power to witness, power to overcome sin, etc. IT does NOT say power to argue. But power to witness of the saving NAME of JESUS!
We must receive the Holy Ghost as the scripture hath said!

Falla39

Sigh.....some of this is so basic, yet polluted with the traditions of "Tongues Teaching" that it hardly seems worth the time to type.

First, Peter was at times just as ugly after his Acts 2 experience. My goodness gracious, look at the pain he inflicted on the early church with his legalistic, self-righteous, and pious attitudes!! That was AFTER Acts 2!! Before Pentecost, he harmed one man with the swinging of his sword. AFTER Acts 2, he did great damage to new Christians by trying to force them to follow OT Law!! Is this not easily understood?? You cannot possibly make the case that Peter, somehow, because a spiritual superman after he spoke in tongues!

He considered anything from other cultures to be unclean!!!! He was a racist!! Where is tongues in that mix??

Secondly, he healed a lame man in the book of Acts. But he walked on water with Jesus!! I've plenty of people claim healing, but I've never heard anyone claim they walked on water....unless you have.

Third...Peter caused so much trouble in the early NT church that it took Paul, a converted murderer, to set him straight. Goodness, God had to send angels in a vision, for crying out loud, to get through to this lunkhead! Do you seriously think that Peter was "All That" after he spoke in tongues? From what scripture says, I don't.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

You STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JioZKUoIC28

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Sigh.....some of this is so basic, yet polluted with the traditions of "Tongues Teaching" that it hardly seems worth the time to type.

First, Peter was at times just as ugly after his Acts 2 experience. My goodness gracious, look at the pain he inflicted on the early church with his legalistic, self-righteous, and pious attitudes!! That was AFTER Acts 2!! Before Pentecost, he harmed one man with the swinging of his sword. AFTER Acts 2, he did great damage to new Christians by trying to force them to follow OT Law!! Is this not easily understood?? You cannot possibly make the case that Peter, somehow, because a spiritual superman after he spoke in tongues!

He considered anything from other cultures to be unclean!!!! He was a racist!! Where is tongues in that mix??

Secondly, he healed a lame man in the book of Acts. But he walked on water with Jesus!! I've plenty of people claim healing, but I've never heard anyone claim they walked on water....unless you have.

Third...Peter caused so much trouble in the early NT church that it took Paul, a converted murderer, to set him straight. Goodness, God had to send angels in a vision, for crying out loud, to get through to this lunkhead! Do you seriously think that Peter was "All That" after he spoke in tongues? From what scripture says, I don't.

Fearful Peter became fearless, after his conversion! One thing about it, these
were ignorant (they just didn't know), and unlearned fisherman who Jesus chose,
and even knowing one of them was a devil, he chose whom he saw fit to choose.
These was the first generation or century to receive the Holy Ghost and to know
what the power of God could do in their lives.

What should we be able to do with the knowledge and opportunties we have
had, after receiving the Holy Ghost and experiencing the workings of God in
our lives. My husband and I received the Holy Ghost over 50 yrs ago. What
a difference HE has made in our lives. No, we have not lives free of tragedy
and pain. Life has not always been easy, but HE has always been there for
us. To lead and guide us through the storms and tests. How thankful we are
to have known this Great and Wonderful Savior. HE has made and continues
to make all the difference in our lives and the lives of our children and their
families.

Falla39

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Falla39

I've said before and I will say it again and again, if we have not received the Holy Ghost
as the scripture hath said, we cannot SEE/COMPREHEND the WORD properly! We cannot
understand what we do not see clearly! The Holy Ghost or Spirit of God opens our under-
standing that we might understand the scriptures.

Falla39

And we both know the verses that tell us the same

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by coadie

And we both know the verses that tell us the same

Amen!

[Jason B]

Oh, I didn't know some of the members of THE church posted on this forum.