Was it necessary to repeal DADT?

[sandie]

I'm interested first, last and always as to what the Lord would have to say on this issue as well as all issues.

Shouldn't we, as Christians, bring that into the discussion?

Baron, your question is excellent:

The majority rules...sometimes? Why are our morals determined by majority rule rather than an objective standard?

The treatment of homosexuals should be ruled by the "golden rule".
All peoples should be treated with kindness, understanding and the love of the Lord. But, that doesn't mean acceptance and accomodation of behaviors the Lord says is wrong.
I don't think society is doing the homosexual a favor in the long run.
Someone said it's difficult for homosexuals to give up that lifestyle, how much harder is it after society says dont' worry, your behavior is accepted?
The military putting it's stamp of approval and making room for that behavior adds to the burden, imo.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by sandie

I'm interested first, last and always as to what the Lord would have to say on this issue as well as all issues.

Shouldn't we, as Christians, bring that into the discussion?

Baron, your question is excellent:

The majority rules...sometimes? Why are our morals determined by majority rule rather than an objective standard?

The treatment of homosexuals should be ruled by the "golden rule".
All peoples should be treated with kindness, understanding and the love of the Lord. But, that doesn't mean acceptance and accomodation of behaviors the Lord says is wrong.
I don't think society is doing the homosexual a favor in the long run.
Someone said it's difficult for homosexuals to give up that lifestyle, how much harder is it after society says dont' worry, your behavior is accepted?
The military putting it's stamp of approval and making room for that behavior adds to the burden, imo.

I think the military needs to take a moral stand against adultery, fornication, white lies, gossip mongering, and other works of the flesh. Their silence on these matters can be construed as tacit approval.

Oy vey.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by DAII

I think the military needs to take a moral stand against adultery, fornication, white lies, gossip mongering, and other works of the flesh. Their silence on these matters can be construed as tacit approval.

Oy vey.

I believe they do have rules of conduct that cover most if not all of the above.

Oy vey schmear.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I'd want to know if I was a fellow military person who is going to use showers and changing rooms where a homosexual would be. I would not want to be there! Sorry.

Yep, like having a gay nurse. Especially the girlie types.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Actually it meant you COULD be gay and serve in the military, as long as you did not openly claim to be gay...nobody could ask you if you were and you were expected to keep it to yourself

My thoughts from the pedo thread:

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Right. How stupid this is, because the GLBT argument will be, you will legally allow us to sacrifice our lives for this country, but won't let us express our "love" for each other, and deny us our "rights".

Under don't ask don't tell, though there are gays serving, it is theoretically secret, thus the argument doesn't have any teeth-until yesterday.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by DAII

I think the military needs to take a moral stand against adultery, fornication, white lies, gossip mongering, and other works of the flesh. Their silence on these matters can be construed as tacit approval.

Oy vey.

Adultry? My cousin did two years for adultry. They do enforce it, selectively at times, but they do.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Baron1710;1[QUOTE=Baron1710

Adultry? My cousin did two years for adultry. They do enforce it, selectively at times, but they do.

Really? Pretty selectively. Sounds like your cousin would be arrested for jaywalking. Adultery seems to be on the books in many states as well but fornication?

Promiscuity would disqualify a large portion of our soldiers. This of course should not be confused with fraternization or neglecting one's duty to frolic and play

In defending a policy of excluding gays from the military, General Pace said, among other things, "Sir, the uniform code of military justice makes it illegal for members of the same sex or members of the opposite sex who aren't married to have sex with each other. That is the law, and I am upholding it." Of course, that isn't the law at all. In fact, one of the Court of Military Appeals' earliest decisions observed, "It is true, as urged by appellate defense counsel, that fornication, in the absence of aggravating circumstances, has been held not to be an offense under military law. United States v. Ord, 2 CMR(AF) 84. This is consistent with the view expressed earlier herein that Congress has not intended by Article 134 and its statutory predecessors to regulate the wholly private moral conduct of an individual." United States v. Snyder, 1 C.M.A. 423, 427, 4 C.M.R. 15, 19 (1952). Later in the same paragraph, CMA noted that "simple fornication is not an offense cognizable under military law." Id.

Chief Judge Everett has provided this helpful synopsis of the law governing fornication in the military:



In summary, the treatment of adultery and fornication in military law seems to be this: (a) two persons are guilty of adultery whenever they engage in illicit sexual intercourse if either of them is married to a third person; (b) if unmarried, they are guilty of fornication whenever they engage in illicit sexual intercourse under circumstances in which the conduct is not strictly private; and (c) private sexual intercourse between unmarried persons is not punishable.



United States v. Hickson, 22 M.J. 146, 150 (C.M.A. 1986)

[mfblume]

Maybe it is one step towards opposite sex same-showering and so forth.

[jfrog]

[QUOTE=DAII;1004192][QUOTE=Baron1710;1

Really? Pretty selectively. Sounds like your cousin would be arrested for jaywalking

Promiscuity would disqualify a large portion of our soldiers. This of course should not be confused with fraternization or neglecting one's duty[/QUOTE]

Adultery is not Promiscuity...

[DAII]

[QUOTE=jfrog;1004195]

Originally Posted by DAII

Adultery is not Promiscuity...

Thanks for the obvious. It could be