Have we confused tongues/int. with prophecy?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Ive heard interpretation start that way, but not always. What does that show? It shows what you are about to hear comes from the Lord.

What is the purpose? Paul said to edify the body

26How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

Singing a psalm is edifying as is a good teaching. All things be done in the liturgy when we congregate be unto edifying.

Neither are a direct communique unto man as most tongue interpretations are conveyed ... and yet Paul doesn't express this as the function and role of tongues and interpretation in this passage. Not to say God isn't "speaking" to us through these giftings either. God can speak to our hearts through a song ... but let's not mix that up with what we've made a T & I session to be.

Either you read the thread ... or kindly bow out.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by DAII

Singing a psalm is edifying as is a good teaching. All things be done in the liturgy when we congregate be unto edifying.

Neither are a direct communique unto man as most tongue interpretations are conveyed ... and yet Paul doesn't express this as the function and role of tongues and interpretation in this passage. Not to say God isn't "speaking" to us through these giftings either. God can speak to our hearts through a song ... but let's not mix that up with what we've made a T & I session to be.

Either you read the thread ... or kindly bow out.

Paul's purpose in writing is Love. It's with that Paul says of tongues
1Co 14:26 Then how is it, brothers? When you come together, each one of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be for building up.

You asked for the purpose. Tongues and interpretation, like all gifts, have for it;'s purpose the building up or edifying of the church

And then Paul says specifically
1Co 14:5 I wish all of you to speak in languages, but rather that you may prophesy; for greater is he prophesying than he speaking in tongues, unless he interpret so that the church may receive building up.

Tongues and interpretation go hand in hand to edify the church.

If you are trying to prove that only a prophesy can begin with "Thus saith the Lord", you're going to have to prove that interpretations do not

[DAII]

Originally Posted by DAII

I think the distinctions between Charismatics and Pentecostals ... are interesting when it comes to gifts ...

Some we know have made a distinction between evidentiary tongues and the tongues we find in 1 Cor. 12-14 ... I don't know if the argument is compelling ...

but I personally have some questions as to the purpose of tongues and interpretation and the gift of prophecy in light of what we've been taught ....

I find the beginning verses of 1 Cor. 14 to add to those questions ...



My observations:

1. Surely, Paul believes love is the ultimate fruit .... manifestation of the Spirit
but he then say we are earnestly desire the gifts but especially ...

that we may prophesy ... no, not desiring tongues or the other gifts ... but rather prophesy. I do not see this in the OP movement.

I find this to be a direct link and in harmony to Joel's prophecy .... where we find sons, daughters, men, women PROPHESYING as they are overwhelmed by the pouring out of the Spirit.

2. Tongues are unto God ... and clearly says these tongues do not speak unto man. (verse 2) When the Spirit is poured out on Pentecost we find those filled speaking or proclaiming the wonders and signs of God ... or his mighty deeds (Joel 2 and Acts 2)

They remark clearly " ...we hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God.”12 And they all continued in amazement and great perplexity, saying to one another, “What does this mean?”

This seems to be in line with Paul saying that he who speaks in tongues speaks in mysteries.
In the case of Cornelius and his household .... they speaks in tongues ... BUT LUKE also includes ... and they MAGNIFIED/EXALTED GOD.

Acts 10:42 - For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God.

There seems to be element of praise in this prophetic and spiritual manifestation.

3. Paul speaks that the function of prophesying is to edify the church, exhort and comfort ... a more direct speaking from God towards man ... specifically BELIEVERS or the corporate Body... yet in the OP and Pentecostal paradigm this seems to be the function of tongues and interpretation.

??????

Bump

[missourimary]

Very interesting. Even more so, that I've very rarely heard T&I to praise or exalt God, to proclaim His mighty deeds... or to edify, exhort, or comfort the church. Most of what I've heard has been along the lines of:
"Hear ye the word of the Lord! I the Lord am coming soon. You know the deeds of your heart. Repent, and get ready!"
or "Thus saith the Lord. My prophet has spoken tonight. Why do you resist? Why is your heart still hardened? I long for you, my people, but you would not."
In other words, messages of condemnation and judgment to the church, not comfort or edification, much less praise.

[Justin]

Wasn't there a T&I confirming the doctrine of the trinity at a oneness church, or something like this? Does anyone have audio?

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Justin

Wasn't there a T&I confirming the doctrine of the trinity at a oneness church, or something like this? Does anyone have audio?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by missourimary

Very interesting. Even more so, that I've very rarely heard T&I to praise or exalt God, to proclaim His mighty deeds... or to edify, exhort, or comfort the church. Most of what I've heard has been along the lines of:
"Hear ye the word of the Lord! I the Lord am coming soon. You know the deeds of your heart. Repent, and get ready!"
or "Thus saith the Lord. My prophet has spoken tonight. Why do you resist? Why is your heart still hardened? I long for you, my people, but you would not."
In other words, messages of condemnation and judgment to the church, not comfort or edification, much less praise.

That is usually the bulk of the "messages" from the mind of God that I've heard or usually a confirmation of the preaching of "My servant"

Yet Paul says our spirit prays unto God and I have scarcely heard this prayer of praise or thanksgiving interpreted -

"Gloria a Dios" will never mean " Thus saith the Lord"

The practice does not line up to the witness.

[DAII]

Why is it God speaks in King James English in these T & I sessions also?

[DAII]

I'd also bet to voucher that in many circles that if a T & I session was translated as a prayer to God it would be rejected as authentic

[A.W. Bowman]

Originally Posted by DAII

Why is it God speaks in King James English in these T & I sessions also?

If it was good enough for Peter, Paul, and Mary is should be good enough for us!

Oops, that was a folk group from the 60's and 70's.