The Slippery Emergent Slope - Page 4

notofworks · #31 02-27-2011, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I thought "light doctrine" was taught by Clyde Haney at WABC and continued on through his son and the new school name.

I just read up a little on the Light Doctrine and it looks like I didn't know what I was talking about. First time that's ever happened!

So I don't see any big deal about the Light Doctrine, myself. If it's only the teaching that people before Azuza or Topeka, or whatever, were saved by faith in Christ, well dang....I think that people with faith in Christ in 2011 are saved so I don't know what the big deal is there.

So some of these 3-steppers actually believe that everyone before Azuza-Topeka was lost for, like, 1900 years???? Yikes. That's a pretty mean God they're following!

notofworks · #32 02-27-2011, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

NOW, never heard of that from Graham, Haney or others outside of them believing in Jesus for salvation. I always heard it used as a way to explain how some would "make it" without speaking in tongues, and being water baptized in Jesus Name -- and complying with all "holiness rules."

Well, call me Scott, but here's a clip of Graham espousing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNCnxA91fHE

Socialite · #33 02-27-2011, 08:24 PM

Is that a real clip? The voices don't match the picture -- but sure sounds like them. In that case, good point... what of the Evangelical world's response?

notofworks · #34 02-27-2011, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

Is that a real clip? The voices don't match the picture -- but sure sounds like them. In that case, good point... what of the Evangelical world's response?

It's real...there is just enough critique of it out there to know and this is...was....kind of a hobbyhorse for Schuller, but for the most part, silence. You would think the Piper's and Hanagraaf's of this world would come out of the woodwork to thrash him, but really, nothing. Kinda strange.

Apprehended · #35 02-27-2011, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I thought "light doctrine" was taught by Clyde Haney at WABC and continued on through his son and the new school name.

That right...and many others too.

Something had to be introduced to explain how it is that all of those oneness preachers who left the Trinity doctrine could still call them "brother" after the division. Few of the early Oneness pioneers considered their former state as a trinitarian as that of being lost. They simply explained it by saying that they walked in the light.

notofworks · #36 02-27-2011, 08:35 PM

So here's the deal, Socialite, I'm not willing to say definitively, absolutely, for certain, with no doubt, that all those around the world who have no knowledge of Christianity, the cross, of Jesus Christ, are absolutely going to hell. Does that make me a wishy-washy Rob Bell Universalist? I'm sure Apprehended would say, "Yes". I preach Jesus, Him crucified, of faith in Him that results in eternal life....but I can't put Ghandi in hell. He just might be there. But I'm willing to consider that he might not be.

notofworks · #37 02-27-2011, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

That right...and many others too.

Something had to be introduced to explain how it is that all of those oneness preachers who left the Trinity doctrine could still call them "brother" after the division. Few of the early Oneness pioneers considered their former state as a trinitarian as that of being lost. They simply explained it by saying that they walked in the light.

So where are you at with this, App? (If you don't have me on "block"

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Do you believe the 3-step new birth message was out there for those 1900 or so years, or do you believe it was silent and people with faith in Christ were saved?

Apprehended · #38 02-27-2011, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

So where are you at with this, App? (If you don't have me on "block"

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Do you believe the 3-step new birth message was out there for those 1900 or so years, or do you believe it was silent and people with faith in Christ were saved?

No sir, you are not blocked. Hope you are having good luck with those two boards alone.

While I could never be another man's judge I have no option but to preach the only saving message which light has shone upon my pathway. That is not to say that I have all the light there is to have. To intimate such a thing would be unspeakably foolish. I have more light today by means of the Word of God. The more of God's Word that enters into me, it carries the light when divine wisdom sets in order that light. "The entrance of thy Word giveth light." The wisdom of this world, even (worldly) theological wisdom is foolishness to God.

Yet, I seek to walk in the light as He is in the light. Thus, the continued washing of the blood of Jesus continually cleanses me from all sin. A failure to walk in the light is a failure in following Jesus in regeneration and the imperative need of the renewing of the mind.

Pro 4:18 But the path of the just [is] as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

Socialite · #39 02-27-2011, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

So here's the deal, Socialite, I'm not willing to say definitively, absolutely, for certain, with no doubt, that all those around the world who have no knowledge of Christianity, the cross, of Jesus Christ, are absolutely going to hell. Does that make me a wishy-washy Rob Bell Universalist? I'm sure Apprehended would say, "Yes". I preach Jesus, Him crucified, of faith in Him that results in eternal life....but I can't put Ghandi in hell. He just might be there. But I'm willing to consider that he might not be.

Possibly one of the Universalists shades... but probably more like many humans who ponder these deep and reflective things.

We don't have to "put Ghandi in hell" to proclaim Jesus as the only Way. Honestly, though I think there's much damage Universalism does to watering down the consistency of God's Story and his Rescue through Christ, I don't believe it's a Gospel issue, or a heresy that is damnable. Rob Bell, if indeed a Universalist (read that link I posted because I don't think that's the case), is still pointing people to the Cross, to Jesus for salvation and is declaring Him as their "way out." How one views our final states, to me, is not absolute necessity. Though, I'd definitely contend that the idea is false, heresy and not the complete picture of God's character.

IOW, you're still my brother... and the fact is, I have those same ponderings and questions sometimes

notofworks · #40 02-27-2011, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

No sir, you are not blocked. Hope you are having good luck with those two boards alone.

While I could never be another man's judge I have no option but to preach the only saving message which light has shone upon my pathway. That is not to say that I have all the light there is to have. To intimate such a thing would be unspeakably foolish. I have more light today by means of the Word of God. The more of God's Word that enters into me, it carries the light when divine wisdom sets in order that light. "The entrance of thy Word giveth light." The wisdom of this world, even (worldly) theological wisdom is foolishness to God.

Yet, I seek to walk in the light as He is in the light. Thus, the continued washing of the blood of Jesus continually cleanses me from all sin. A failure to walk in the light is a failure in following Jesus in regeneration and the imperative need of the renewing of the mind.

Pro 4:18 But the path of the just [is] as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

Wow, we might actually high-five one another on this one. Very well said, in my little opinion. I don't know if I would call it "Luck" but yes, I'm having great success with those two boards alone!