Uncut hair in church history

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I would be interested in even one Old Testament reference where a Woman trimming her hair was considered sin. Can anyone produce one?

Nope. No one can. Good eye, Michael.

[Monarchianism]

I'll admit, I was ignorant for thinking that a woman cutting her hair was a sin. I say, do what you want as long as you are not convicted of it. I eventually got tired of my split ends. I know a woman with hair so incredibly long, that when it's down, it touches the floor. She's kept it up everytime I've seen her in Church. I've heard her talk about the weight of it, and she says it is pulling her bald. Her husband won't let her cut it. Distinction is not an issue. Your hair doesn't have to be touching the floor for someone to be able to tell you are a woman.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Monarchianism

I'll admit, I was ignorant for thinking that a woman cutting her hair was a sin. I say, do what you want as long as you are not convicted of it. I eventually got tired of my split ends. I know a woman with hair so incredibly long, that when it's down, it touches the floor. She's kept it up everytime I've seen her in Church. I've heard her talk about the weight of it, and she says it is pulling her bald. Her husband won't let her cut it. Distinction is not an issue. Your hair doesn't have to be touching the floor for someone to be able to tell you are a woman.

One does not have to consider something a sin or not, to not in engage in the activity based on what is in scripture.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

One does not have to consider something a sin or not, to not in engage in the activity based on what is in scripture.

Well, I can say for certain that if it can be found in scripture that a certain activity is a sin, I won't engage in it for that reason. If you abstain from something based on what is in scripture, why would you not also consider it a sin to partake?

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Well, I can say for certain that if it can be found in scripture that a certain activity is a sin, I won't engage in it for that reason. If you abstain from something based on what is in scripture, why would you not also consider it a sin to partake?

For the simple reason of your first post. I believe what the Bible calls sin is sin. Anything else is a conviction of the Holy Ghost. There are principles on the scripture like hair where the Bible never explicitly teaches uncut hair. However because long hair is a glory to the women and to be shorn or shaven is a shame, people have adopted by the leading of the Spirit a standard for the church. Not one statement in the Bible says if a women cuts her hair an inch, that is a sin and they will go to hell. However the Bible does teach in my opinion that a women should have long hair and its a shame to be shorn.

So while I may not believe cutting an inch is a sin, I do believe you live by the principle of the scripture and adopt your standards based on that. Do you understand my point?

Or say Television. No scripture says thou shalt not look at a TV as it didn't exist. However scriptural principles such as (put no evil thing before thine eye) and (set your affections on things above) lead one to develop a standard of limited or no TV viewing. One can't say its a sin to view the TV but one can say that it can LEAD to sin.

Does that better clear up my point?

[On The Wheel]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

For the simple reason of your first post. I believe what the Bible calls sin is sin. Anything else is a conviction of the Holy Ghost. There are principles on the scripture like hair where the Bible never explicitly teaches uncut hair. However because long hair is a glory to the women and to be shorn or shaven is a shame, people have adopted by the leading of the Spirit a standard for the church. Not one statement in the Bible says if a women cuts her hair an inch, that is a sin and they will go to hell. However the Bible does teach in my opinion that a women should have long hair and its a shame to be shorn.

So while I may not believe cutting an inch is a sin, I do believe you live by the principle of the scripture and adopt your standards based on that. Do you understand my point?

Or say Television. No scripture says thou shalt not look at a TV as it didn't exist. However scriptural principles such as (put no evil thing before thine eye) and (set your affections on things above) lead one to develop a standard of limited or no TV viewing. One can't say its a sin to view the TV but one can say that it can LEAD to sin.

Does that better clear up my point?

Not to split hairs here (pun intended), but television did not exist when scriptures were written. Hair did. Nothing is said about trimming hair, and no, long hair does not presuppose a lack of trimming. That would be ludicrous logically.

However, this thread is not about what is said in scripture, as that has been discussed elsewhere on this board. Rather it is about how this issue has been interpreted through time.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by On The Wheel

Not to split hairs here (pun intended), but television did not exist when scriptures were written. Hair did. Nothing is said about trimming hair, and no, long hair does not presuppose a lack of trimming. That would be ludicrous logically.

However, this thread is not about what is said in scripture, as that has been discussed elsewhere on this board. Rather it is about how this issue has been interpreted through time.

Or say Television. No scripture says thou shalt not look at a TV as it didn't exist

This is what I said. Please reread my post.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by On The Wheel

However, this thread is not about what is said in scripture, as that has been discussed elsewhere on this board. Rather it is about how this issue has been interpreted through time.

It seems when you study any group, including the Jewish faith, you have three factions - Conservative, Moderate, Liberal.

Having said that, I ran across an older comment on a religious forum. The girl was saying that her grandmother was part of a "holiness" Church of Christ group that taught that women didn't cut their hair.

I ran into an older women (70ish) who told me they were taught not to cut their hair in the Baptist faith.

And, as I posted, my MIL was a part of the COG and they taught against cutting the hair.

The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that it is in preparation for a belief that in heaven the wives will be asked to use that hair to wash their husbands' feet. And I also read, somewhere, that they believe they will also wash Jesus' feet at his second coming.

I didn't study any of this further and I guess it doesn't really get you anywhere, but, at least, it could give you some group names that believed and taught this in times past. Basically, many felt the scripture was important enough to take it seriously. Some "uncut" and some "long", but trimmed.

[On The Wheel]

Originally Posted by Monarchianism

I'll admit, I was ignorant for thinking that a woman cutting her hair was a sin. I say, do what you want as long as you are not convicted of it. I eventually got tired of my split ends. I know a woman with hair so incredibly long, that when it's down, it touches the floor. She's kept it up everytime I've seen her in Church. I've heard her talk about the weight of it, and she says it is pulling her bald. Her husband won't let her cut it. Distinction is not an issue. Your hair doesn't have to be touching the floor for someone to be able to tell you are a woman.

I know someone who has hair about 2 feet past her feet. It is so heavy and thick that it takes hours to wash and arrange. It's weight causes her migraines and is giving her neck and back trouble. Yet, she is afraid to talk to her WPF pastor about shortening or thinning it.

Is that crazy, or what? Is that what Paul had in mind?

[Monarchianism]

Originally Posted by On The Wheel

I know someone who has hair about 2 feet past her feet. It is so heavy and thick that it takes hours to wash and arrange. It's weight causes her migraines and is giving her neck and back trouble. Yet, she is afraid to talk to her WPF pastor about shortening or thinning it.

Is that crazy, or what? Is that what Paul had in mind?

Same with the woman I told about.
Conviction should let you know the borderline.
I'm not saying to test the Spirit, absolutely not.
Make good judgements. Shorning is not a good judgment.
Be sure that people can tell you are a woman.
As I said "distinction is not an issue."
Paul would have been straightforward if he meant uncut.
Best argument I've heard is "why would a woman want to cut her glory."