Tongue & Interpretation Yesterday

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by PastorTLArt

Im sorry, but I agree with my brothers, I do not believe that God "shut the mouth" because you asked Him too, Maybe your attitude was a hindrance to what was being done and it could happen until you left the sanctuary?? Ever thought of that!!

God states, "Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent."

I believe God would rather prove me wrong than to send me packing and deliver a message behind my back. I'm always willing to admit my wrong, and also willing to repent. I believe the Lord would rather show me my error.

I don't believe I was being a hindrance as I was worshiping God. I've been in services where the Lord spoke and sinners were in the congregation. If those sinners they weren't a hindrance for God then, I doubt I was a hindrance while belonging to Him.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

wow...I hope these two are just pulling my chain. How sad if they were serious.

They probaby think "preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15) include dogs, cats, mice, etc......lol

Your prayer was for him not to interpret. You heard him interpret.

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by houston

Your prayer was for him not to interpret. You heard him interpret.

Wow...... talk about lack of comprehension..... go reread my initial post.

I'm done.....

[Praxeas]

I remember this happening under my first pastor. No tongues but he gave an "Interpretation"...at the time I thought it was a prophecy

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

A poster named Praxeas created a tongue and interpretation thread a few days ago. Within that thread I mentioned of having a confirmation in my spirit when a genuine T&I message of God proceeded.

In the last tongue & interpretation (T&I) I questioned if the wording was from God. Two reasons:

1) I didn't feel the confirmation in my spirit
2) God would not tell the church to prepare their harvest. The harvest belongs to God (Matt 9:38). The harvest isn't ours personally as the interpretor inferred.

From my experience, there's usually a "hush" and then there's a single person who begins to speak in tongues. I've also encountered where congregants are speaking in tongues, and then there's a person whom dominates all tongues as he/she begins to speak in a loud authoritative tongue and everyone becomes quiet.


Well yesterday everyone was speaking in tongues during worship. The music stopped and all were still speaking in tongues. There was no "hush", just people praying in the spirit. The person at the pulpit said God wants to speak, but people were just praying.

I then told God, if this isn't a genuine message from you, keep the person's mouth at the pulpit shut.

So the person at the pulpit said, let God use you, let God use you. So we all kept praying and calling on God. There was no "hush" nor a dominate tongue speaker, we were all just worshiping God.

I then felt to walk out of the sanctuary and began praying as I began walking down the hallway.

Right as I walked out of the sanctuary, the person at the pulpit began delivering a tongues & interpretation message. Where was the "tongue" message to interpret? There was none.

Then a thought came to my mind as I was walking the hallway praying, that this person's mind was made up that God was going to speak.

God answered my petition while I remained in the sanctuary, and he had to remove me from the sanctuary because this person's mind was made up that God was going to speak-

Bro,
I have had so many thoughts when I read your posts on this subject.


There was the thought that, "Well, if he is the type of person that believes that God is going to allow another soul to go to hell only because he wasn't baptized the way he was, then I can see where his hang up on the "exactitudes" would come in.



Then I thought, well God is a God of "exactitudes" in some ways-- Noah's Ark, the Temple,-- though these are Old Testament examples and I do see the New Testament shifting the focus away from external exactitudes so that publicans like me can be made righteous in our hearts, not by doing every little thing exactly right, saying everything exactly right, 100% of the time.



Then there was the thought, "If this (the first T&I) was from God, why did He speak through someone He knew would mess up His Message? Are we supposed to just look past it? What was God really trying to say?"


One more thought-- if God in fact did confirm to you that something is amiss with both T&I incidents in your church, what are you going to do about it? I'm not sure what I would do. Do you think that God has a purpose in pointing this out to you? Do you think that you may be developing a critical spirit-- tainting everything you see and experience?


There's just so much going in your two scenarios you have posted about.

[Jacob's Ladder]

Jermyn,

I appreciate the sincerity in your post. You asked:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Bro,
why did He speak through someone He knew would mess up His Message?

Matthew 7:22 reads, "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'"

My question to you, why would God make his power readily available to evildoers?

The Lord would speak through someone who might "mess up his message" for the very same reason He would make his power available to evildoers, due to love toward His creation.

Due to the works of the flesh, many of these functions are utilized for the person's personal agenda rather than what God intended. At other times one may speak something they would like to hear rather than what "thus saith the Lord." At other times many are just inexperienced.

We have freewill to obey or misuse, but in the end we will be held accountable.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

One more thought-- if God in fact did confirm to you that something is amiss with both T&I incidents in your church, what are you going to do about it? I'm not sure what I would do. Do you think that God has a purpose in pointing this out to you? Do you think that you may be developing a critical spirit-- tainting everything you see and experience?


There's just so much going in your two scenarios you have posted about.

All I can do is pray and be careful. Sometimes one can have a personal conversation with another while be respectful toward a person. I've done it that various times and have been thanked. At other times God has called out someone's mail through me. During those times I speak boldly and let God sort out the aftermath. He always has. Can one develop a critical spirit? Absolutely. Have I found myself in the situation before? Yes, I can't lie.

The solution is remaining sensitive to God and loving the person regardless of their faults. They're still a soul and they must be saved.

[Apprehended]

No tongues are needed, except as a heavenly portend of a divine message to follow. The message could have been just as well been given without tongues by the gift of prophecy. However, if tongues swells up in the inward parts, by all means, deliver it.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The problem is tongues and Interpretations are both considered ecstatic utterances explicitly caused by the Holy Ghost. In fact, what I know if interpretations usually someone does not get a typewritten message they can submit to board of elders. He or she gets a word or a sentence and once they utter that the rest follows

And if tongues were mechanical, then yea I can see them going to a board of elders and speaking in tongues then getting approval to repeat it in church.

It just seems comical to have someone give a tongue in your church and the guy that gets an interpretation has to wait a week to see if the board approves it?

LOL

[freeatlast]

It's Interpretation, NOT translations of tongues.

Translation would indicate a word for word translation of the message in tongues.

Interpretaion would be the general feeling of what the interpreter sences the Spirit is saying to the church.

Just my thoughts......

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

It's Interpretation, NOT translations of tongues.

Translation would indicate a word for word translation of the message in tongues.

Interpretaion would be the general feeling of what the interpreter sences the Spirit is saying to the church.

Just my thoughts......

And some mighty fine thoughts they were indeed.