The Avengers!

[RandyWayne]

I forgot about Tyler Perry's films. LOL

I am waiting for someone who is a Christian with the movie making skills of James Cameron or Peter Jackson to come out of the woodwork and start making films. Something that drips quality where you can tell in the opening minutes that this is NOT your typical Hallmark network drivel.

[AncientPaths]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Can't speak to the other shows but I have seen an episode of Breaking Bad and it typifies EXACTLY what I think is wrong with television. How many GD's does one need to hear... Would you invite a person that talks like that into your home? Would you let someone make out in your living room? Shoot dope?

Maybe I am over sensitive because I have seen those things in real life. My only sibling is currently awaiting trial for capital murder, two counts of kidnapping and aggravated sexual assualt- all related to being a Methamphitamine cook. I find people wanting to experience that vicariously just sick.

Breaking Bad (unlike Weeds) does not glamorize the situation that Walt has put himself in. The entire series is a testament to the wages of sin. Stunning writing, characters and cinematography.

[Jay]

I have yet to hear anything that makes me want to watch programing with partial nudity, homosexuality, skimpy clothing (or worse), sexuality and sensuality, drunkenness, drugs, porn, adultery, just to scrape the surface.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by AncientPaths

Breaking Bad (unlike Weeds) does not glamorize the situation that Walt has put himself in. The entire series is a testament to the wages of sin. Stunning writing, characters and cinematography.

You seem to believe that because the main character is some times unhappy and upset as he goes along killing and destroying countless lives this show gives us a picture of the wages or his sin... REALLY? Or maybe it's that he got the snot kicked out of him once or twice that makes you believe that he has experienced some kind of justice. Where exactly do you see the wages?

My son tells me that season four ends with an ever prospering Walter who has now killed the head of the cartel and is positioned to take over the drug trade in a major way. How do you think THAT shows the wages of sin?...

Have you seen the primary characters die and go to hell? Ummm.... no. Instead he prospers financially and is portrayed as a dweeb turned macho street thug, something that a significant portion of our youth aspire to at least on some level.

There are still actors getting it on on the screen (see my post above). And while YOU do not think it glamorizes drug use you are not a druggie or an ex-addict (I presume). It does indeed give credence to the lifestyle for those who are or have been involved (speaking from experience here). If you don't think that the scene of doing a speedball and getting super high is attractive to someone you are out of touch. If even one person who saw the very detailed scene of IV drug use is now be brave enough to try it because of the show it has wrought destruction well beyond it's worth.

And honestly this is just a horror that does not need to be brought into our homes. I can promise that there will now be more than one person who uses hydrochloric acid to disintegrate a body or manufactures deadly poison from flowers, is that worth being entertained? You do realize that those things are technically correct?

This is my brother the meth cooks favorite show... so if you like it that much you share something in common with a psychopath. Not something I am want to be able to say. I ran screaming from that life and would never pipe it in to my peaceful home.

And I just have to ask as cornball as you will think it sounds... but if Jesus were in the room with you is this a show you would invite him to watch?... because really He is in the room.

[AncientPaths]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

You seem to believe that because the main character is some times unhappy and upset as he goes along killing and destroying countless lives this show gives us a picture of the wages or his sin... REALLY? Or maybe it's that he got the snot kicked out of him once or twice that makes you believe that he has experienced some kind of justice. Where exactly do you see the wages?

My son tells me that season four ends with an ever prospering Walter who has now killed the head of the cartel and is positioned to take over the drug trade in a major way. How do you think THAT shows the wages of sin?...

Have you seen the primary characters die and go to hell? Ummm.... no. Instead he prospers financially and is portrayed as a dweeb turned macho street thug, something that a significant portion of our youth aspire to at least on some level.

There are still actors getting it on on the screen (see my post above). And while YOU do not think it glamorizes drug use you are not a druggie or an ex-addict (I presume). It does indeed give credence to the lifestyle for those who are or have been involved (speaking from experience here). If you don't think that the scene of doing a speedball and getting super high is attractive to someone you are out of touch. If even one person who saw the very detailed scene of IV drug use is now be brave enough to try it because of the show it has wrought destruction well beyond it's worth.

And honestly this is just a horror that does not need to be brought into our homes. I can promise that there will now be more than one person who uses hydrochloric acid to disintegrate a body or manufactures deadly poison from flowers, is that worth being entertained? You do realize that those things are technically correct?

This is my brother the meth cooks favorite show... so if you like it that much you share something in common with a psychopath. Not something I am want to be able to say. I ran screaming from that life and would never pipe it in to my peaceful home.

And I just have to ask as cornball as you will think it sounds... but if Jesus were in the room with you is this a show you would invite him to watch?... because really He is in the room.

I appreciate your review of the show as provided second hand (and based on watching one episode), but your obvious personal issues notwithstanding, the show is very well done, and the wages of sin have not yet taken their toll on Walt, but they will. It is the destruction of the lives of the people that he has come into contact with that I was referring to.

I understand this is personal for you, and I appreciate it. But don't get angry at me about it It is clearly hitting a raw nerve with you, but please take a breather and back off just a smidge

[AncientPaths]

Originally Posted by Jay

I have yet to hear anything that makes me want to watch programing with partial nudity, homosexuality, skimpy clothing (or worse), sexuality and sensuality, drunkenness, drugs, porn, adultery, just to scrape the surface.

But we're trying so hard to convince you.... Aw, mannnn.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by AncientPaths

I appreciate your review of the show as provided second hand (and based on watching one episode), but your obvious personal issues notwithstanding, the show is very well done, and the wages of sin have not yet taken their toll on Walt, but they will. It is the destruction of the lives of the people that he has come into contact with that I was referring to.

I understand this is personal for you, and I appreciate it. But don't get angry at me about it It is clearly hitting a raw nerve with you, but please take a breather and back off just a smidge

I am certainly not angry at you personally AP but I don't need anyone to pat my hand and tell me it will be OK either... I'm way past that. I got the news yesterday that the DA will likely seek the death penalty in my brothers case... the thing that has me up in the middle of the night...

You asked what makes a show garbage and I told you. in my opinion, one qualifier would be a show that glories in human destruction. Even if I have not seen it all for myself I believe I've got my facts pretty straight... I did a little internet research for the finer details before I posted and just about everybody i work with watches that show and talks about it. I think I do get more Walt stories because there is not a person in my small Texas town who does not know about my brother the killer/meth cook, the news has seen to that.

So far what I hear from you is that the show is well written. Artistic talent or even brilliance does not make something worthwhile for me. In addition to that I believe that we as a society have been systematically desensitized by television over a few short decades so that what was once shocking and horrific is now just run of the mill. There are studies that prove it. Do you see that as good? Do you really believe that you are of such superior intellect and built of such stronger stuff that you will not be influenced? If so you think much more highly of yourself than the creators of what you are watching who believe that they can indeed change social norms.

I am a big believer in personal freedoms so I do not make any attempt to regulate anything for anyone that does not physically hurt an innocent. But I do encourage people to take an honest look at what they allow to influence them and decide if it is to their benefit. I am transparent about my own life and struggles in the hopes that it will help someone else.

I do not find the good in the show we are discussing. If you do then I wish you would do a better job of describing what it is you believe makes it worth the time it would take to watch it.

[Nitehawk013]

Originally Posted by Jay

I have yet to hear anything that makes me want to watch programing with partial nudity, homosexuality, skimpy clothing (or worse), sexuality and sensuality, drunkenness, drugs, porn, adultery, just to scrape the surface.

Here's the part that is annoying. No offense to you directly Jay, but the mentality that says everything from hollywood is full of the things you stated is just ignorant.

Of the films I have seen in the past two years...very few of them had those things in them. Captain America was squeaky clean. Thor was stunning and had nothing bad in it. Green Lantern was panned by critics, but had nothing bad really in it. Transformers 3. Iron Man 2 was good. (I like Comic movies if you cant tell). A-Team was really good. District 9 was a good sci-fi film. There are others I have seen but can't remember them all.

Even the romantic comedies that did have some language or such had an overall theme that wasn't bad. Crazy Stupid LOve was really good. Date Night was hilarious.

Overall, there is not one single movie that I have seen in the past coupleyears that has any language or suggestive dialog any different than what I have to hear everyday at work. The language of my co-workers doesn't make me want to run out and sin and neither do the movies.

[RandyWayne]

I have never seen Breaking Bad and have no desire to. I'm sure it is well, but there are many well written shows that I don't care for.

I have to admit that Thursday is a special night for us whenever they air a new episode of Burn Notice. I would love to know where the writers of this show get all of their "spy" advice that Michael dishes out several times per episode. Nearly all of it seems legit!

[AncientPaths]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

So far what I hear from you is that the show is well written. Artistic talent or even brilliance does not make something worthwhile for me. In addition to that I believe that we as a society have been systematically desensitized by television over a few short decades so that what was once shocking and horrific is now just run of the mill. There are studies that prove it. Do you see that as good? Do you really believe that you are of such superior intellect and built of such stronger stuff that you will not be influenced? If so you think much more highly of yourself than the creators of what you are watching who believe that they can indeed change social norms.

I do not find the good in the show we are discussing. If you do then I wish you would do a better job of describing what it is you believe makes it worth the time it would take to watch it.

First let me say that I'm sorry about your brother. That must be extremely difficult.

Now. Artistic talent/brilliance alone does make certain things worthwhile to me. I won't dispute that. It's a story that is being told that I believe is both interesting, sad and engaging -- and it is absolutely not glamorizing meth. If you believe that it is, than you are not doing objective research.

Yes, we have all been desensitized. I won't deny it. Whether that has brought about the demise of society - it can't have helped.

Superior intellect? Well, what do you mean by influenced? Do I think that watching this show will make me want to cook meth? No I don't. Would any person in their right mind who watches the trail of death and destruction that Walt leaves in his path be encouraged to go down that road? I don't believe so. If that makes me of superior intellect or "stronger stuff", then I accept that

I am not claiming that the show is somehow "good" - like it should be shown in school or anything. But I think it does a good job showing the dangers of meth, the damage it does to families, the true nature of Walt and how he is no hero on the show.

I feel sad for the characters on the show, I'm glad I haven't gotten myself into their messes, and I like the anticipation of what will happen next. If that makes me an irresponsible viewer in your eyes, then so be it.

I personally think that people the do stupid things will have gotten around to doing them with or without a tv show.