Question about "speaking in tongues"

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Jay

I have seen people who were in the Spirit (I am not talking about KC/KH style) who sat in the church, and it seemed like they were saying excellent things. However, none of them were facing one another, and all involved had their eyes closed. It was a sweet Spirit there and not that creepy stuff.

The "excellency" of a tongue is dependent on the interpretation that follows and how it measures up to scripture.

[Jay]

I am not talking about tongues that require an interpretation. These were not meant for the edification of the whole church, in which case it was acceptable. More people really ought to carefully study 1 Corinthinans 12-14 rather than jumping to conclusions about what is said.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Jay

I am not talking about tongues that require an interpretation. These were not meant for the edification of the whole church, in which case it was acceptable. More people really ought to carefully study 1 Corinthinans 12-14 rather than jumping to conclusions about what is said.

Enlighten me please. I see no room for members/believers vocalizing tongues in public assembly, unless they are interpreted...

[Dordrecht]

I see no room for members/believers vocalizing tongues in public assembly, unless they are interpreted...

You are right, there needs to be interpretation. (Public tongues).
Other tongues are a prayer language, which is done silently.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Enlighten me please. I see no room for members/believers vocalizing tongues in public assembly, unless they are interpreted...

You are right Hoovie - these people need to read 1 Cor 14 again!

1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men [to] edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

4 He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.


AND

1 Cor 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

There is a lot of speaking into the air going on in Pentecostal churches !!!!

1 Cor 14:14 For if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. Here Paul is talking about the prayer language.
1 Cor 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying [serveth] not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Note - tongues are for a sign to the unbeliever... Prophesying is for the believers.

23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in [those that are] unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or [one] unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on [his] face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

You are right Hoovie - these people need to read 1 Cor 14 again!

1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men [to] edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

4 He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.


AND

1 Cor 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

There is a lot of speaking into the air going on in Pentecostal churches !!!!

1 Cor 14:14 For if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. Here Paul is talking about the prayer language.
1 Cor 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying [serveth] not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Note - tongues are for a sign to the unbeliever... Prophesying is for the believers.

23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in [those that are] unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or [one] unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on [his] face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

Very good teaching from the word of God.

We get people just screaming out and blabbering in tongues.. and it's the same people all the time. So while everybody who loves that kind of thing seems to think these folks are 'super spiritual' I am more inclined to think that they are either attention seeking sorts or are completely OUT OF TOUCH with God as if they were speaking according to His will there WOULD be an interpretation.

I am not anti-tongues. I have travailed for others and prayed in tongues, I often pray in the HG at home, in my car, sometimes with my husband during our prayer time together, and even quietly at the altar in church but I have never, ever felt the urge to scream out in tongues... If I do I will and I will trust God that there WILL be an interpretation, because the bible says so.

[shag]

Originally Posted by TyronePalmer

Here is an excerpt from a message I wrote that should help you to understand the difference between the two manifestations of languages.

1) Is what I term 'our spirit language', that cannot be understood by the speaker or hearer, but we are speaking mysteries to God with 'our spirit'.

2) The gift of 'different kinds of languages' is given to a believer (Not All) by the Holy Spirit and this language CAN be understood by the speaker if they are given the interpretation by the Spirit and it CAN be understood by the hearer or another believer with the spiritual gift of interpretation of languages.

Kinds Of Languages

The spiritual gift of kinds of languages is given to a believer by the Holy Spirit. It is the supernatural ability to speak in a foreign language that one has not previously studied or had knowledge of. It is known languages of men (French, Spanish, Italian, etc.) that can be understood by others and interpreted by the speaker or one who has been given the spiritual gift of interpretation of languages.

The spiritual gift of kinds of languages should not be confused with the language that is spoken by all believers as the initial evidence or sign that they have received the Holy Spirit into their heart. This is a language that cannot be understood by man, and is commonly called 'prayer language'. It's a language that you speak through your spirit anytime to edify, build yourself up, and talk to God.

When Paul asked the Corinthian saints 'Do all speak languages?' he was talking about the spiritual gift of 'kinds of languages'! Not that some believers would speak new languages and some would not. It is true that all believers won't receive the spiritual gift to speak in kinds of languages (Russian, Chinese, German, etc.), but all believers of Jesus Christ will speak in another language as the Spirit gives them ability when they are baptized or filled with the Holy Spirit!

To read the whole message visit: http://gospelofthekingdomofgod.blogs...of-spirit.html

Please list the obvious NT verses you believe refer to our personal "spirit language" or "prayer language",
(Or anybody else, as I would like to look closer at each one)



I also am curious...would you (or others) say, as concerning the example I gave, in which the person with the microphone(sometimes song leader, sometimes preacher) is saying something shorter like ie: "ya na ha da da ba shandi", then they are speaking in a "personal prayer language" ?(I guess based on its just a few sylables long, rather than a long on going "tongues" of trying to get a message out to the church..?) (Im asking regardless of if its suppose to happen or not,(it does) because its not without an interpretor) I want to know what it is....mustn't it be what is deemed as "prayer language"?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Since you are not a christian, the "tongue" you would be speaking would be NOT the tongues referred in scripture.

But I was a Christian and the tongues I can still speak are the same that I spoke when I was a Christian... call me a liar if you must but I speak the truth.

[TyronePalmer]

Originally Posted by shag

Please list the obvious NT verses you believe refer to our personal "spirit language" or "prayer language",
(Or anybody else, as I would like to look closer at each one)



I also am curious...would you (or others) say, as concerning the example I gave, in which the person with the microphone(sometimes song leader, sometimes preacher) is saying something shorter like ie: "ya na ha da da ba shandi", then they are speaking in a "personal prayer language" ?(I guess based on its just a few sylables long, rather than a long on going "tongues" of trying to get a message out to the church..?) (Im asking regardless of if its suppose to happen or not,(it does) because its not without an interpretor) I want to know what it is....mustn't it be what is deemed as "prayer language"?

Prayer or spirit language

1st Corinthians 14:2,4,14-17

"For the one speaking in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God; for no one hears, but in spirit he speaks mysteries."

"The one speaking in a tongue builds himself up;"

"For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. What then is it? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the mind; I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the mind. Else, if you bless in the spirit, the one occupying the place of the unlearned, how will he say the amen at your giving of thanks, since he does not know what you say? For you truly give thanks well, but the other is not built up.

If your pastor or anyone else is speaking in their prayer or spirit language out loud in the assembly they are in error according to scripture, because they cannot understand what they are speaking nor can anyone else! So the body of Christ is NOT being built up when one does that.

It's lack of understanding and obedience to the word that's the problem. If I were you I would bring the scriptures to the pastor and say something about it.

And if the language being spoken is not a known language of men that can be interpreted for the edification of the whole body, then it should not be spoken out loud in the assembly of the saints.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by TyronePalmer

Prayer or spirit language

1st Corinthians 14:2,4,14-17

"For the one speaking in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God; for no one hears, but in spirit he speaks mysteries."

"The one speaking in a tongue builds himself up;"

"For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. What then is it? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the mind; I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the mind. Else, if you bless in the spirit, the one occupying the place of the unlearned, how will he say the amen at your giving of thanks, since he does not know what you say? For you truly give thanks well, but the other is not built up.

If your pastor or anyone else is speaking in their prayer or spirit language out loud in the assembly they are in error according to scripture, because they cannot understand what they are speaking nor can anyone else! So the body of Christ is NOT being built up when one does that.

It's lack of understanding and obedience to the word that's the problem. If I were you I would bring the scriptures to the pastor and say something about it.

And if the language being spoken is not a known language of men that can be interpreted for the edification of the whole body, then it should not be spoken out loud in the assembly of the saints.

1 Cor. 14 needs to be read again by most Pentecostals, and tongue-talkers. It would bring much less confusion in the services!

About the bolded above - a family member did just that - took 1 Cor. 14 to his pastor, and guess what, he screamed and yelled at him for being in rebellion and not just coming to church and learning, and trying to study things for himself, and was told not to bring questionable scriptures to him in question, but just sit and listen in church, and he would get all the answers he needed.

So good luck with going to the pastor.... most OP preachers don't want to deal with the implications of 1 Cor 14. Although most certainly one should try. My family member - left the church eventually over the issue of not being allowed to question ANYTHING at all. Thank God, he finally found his way back to God years later, only by the mercies of God, and a praying mother...