UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium

[The Lemon]

The irritating issue here for me is that there still seems to be this "assimilation" mentality amoungst both UPC and WPF folks, which is to say that unless all Assilimilate to the form and function of the group - in this case it is ALWAYS about appearence, standards, etc., then there is a great letting down, a forsaking of the old paths, etc., etc.,

I have no problem with Holiness, or with standards...believe it or not. What I have a HUGE issue with is the contention it seems to cause and the demand for uniformity or else! Every one of these discussions always ends up a circular argument with essentially two sides trying desperately to persuade the other that their view is "off" or not "Biblical" - and the bottom line is IT NEVER ENDS.

In the meantime, while there is all this contention there are souls hurting and dying by the thousands...ridiculous. I for one applaud any effort to try and build a bridge to others who preach Christ but have different takes on doctrine....not in an effort to compromise what we know as truth, but in an effort to understand what makes the other factions tick and what the heartbeat is.

I remember reading a scripture somewhere that applauded those who preach Christ....I mean seriously, IU believe there are many opportunities to continue to help lay some foundation for those of different persuasions by sitting down and listening to them..

[seekerman]

Could it be that Bernard considers those Trinitarian, baptized Father, Son, Holy Ghost, non-tongue talking individuals equals as born again children of God?

[houston]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Could it be that Bernard considers those Trinitarian, baptized Father, Son, Holy Ghost, non-tongue talking individuals equals as born again children of God?

No. Bernard is a politician.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

So I think any thoughts you have about DKB "compromising everthing" is suspect at best.

He is after all, responsible for making WPFers choose between the UPC and a newly spawned group formed in protest to allowing old advertising technology!

Actually, we would have left over the issue of television alone. However, there was far more than just that one issue that influenced our leaving. There were events at Youth Congress, youth camps, General Conference, etc. that all had influence on our decisions. The forcing of the issue was only the last in a series of events.

DKB actually had very little influence in causing many of those who joined the WPF to do so. For many years now, he has been more concerned about the organization than the issues of holiness he once wrote about nearly 30 years ago. He has said that as long as the Oneness and Acts 2:38 are preached, all other differences should be set aside.

Originally Posted by The Lemon

The irritating issue here for me is that there still seems to be this "assimilation" mentality amoungst both UPC and WPF folks, which is to say that unless all Assilimilate to the form and function of the group - in this case it is ALWAYS about appearence, standards, etc., then there is a great letting down, a forsaking of the old paths, etc., etc.,

I have no problem with Holiness, or with standards...believe it or not. What I have a HUGE issue with is the contention it seems to cause and the demand for uniformity or else! Every one of these discussions always ends up a circular argument with essentially two sides trying desperately to persuade the other that their view is "off" or not "Biblical" - and the bottom line is IT NEVER ENDS.

In the meantime, while there is all this contention there are souls hurting and dying by the thousands...ridiculous. I for one applaud any effort to try and build a bridge to others who preach Christ but have different takes on doctrine....not in an effort to compromise what we know as truth, but in an effort to understand what makes the other factions tick and what the heartbeat is.

I remember reading a scripture somewhere that applauded those who preach Christ....I mean seriously, IU believe there are many opportunities to continue to help lay some foundation for those of different persuasions by sitting down and listening to them..

I do not mind listening to other people, and attempt to make careful inquiry into their beliefs. The best way to win people is to be their friend.

Further, the WPF has only a few standards that are universally agreed upon. Bro. Booker and others are against Facebook (my inference from listening to what has been said). Bro. J. Godair has put video of messages on his church website. My church is against video but uses Facebook. There are various points of view concerning sleeves, jewelry, and other things as well.

Lastly, we are not a police state where conformity is strictly enforced

Originally Posted by seekerman

Could it be that Bernard considers those Trinitarian, baptized Father, Son, Holy Ghost, non-tongue talking individuals equals as born again children of God?

I would say that he appears to lean in that direction from some of what I have seen him partake in, and from some of the things that he has said.

Originally Posted by houston

No. Bernard is a politician.

This is also very true. I would say that he is a likely a very good one.

[Truthseeker]

Funny how some are strong against church on tv but have stream lining services on the net. Kinda kind preaching against rings with a gold watch on. Shows most of us have blind spots even though sincere.

[Austin]

The people who are members of the UPCI, are not the only ones going to heaven. If anyone thinks that, they are way off. Sorry, I have to make that statement because I get sick of hearing it all the time that no one is equal to us because of what we believe, and how we live.
I know a lot of UPC people from ages ago and even now. Funny how when you leave there group all the things you have done to minister to them through out the years seem to mean nothing, because, you can't even get them to call you and ask, Brother we haven't seen you in church lately.

Love should be as strong as self proclaimed power!

People need to wake up, if you have revelation in the spirit then start acting like it.

[houston]

Funny. I have nevah heard anyone say that only UPC will be in heaven.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by houston

Funny. I have nevah heard anyone say that only UPC will be in heaven.

Me neither.

[seekerman]

I've heard folks preach that only those who 1) Repent, 2) are baptized in Jesus name, 3) spoke in tongues and 4) living certain 'standards' will be the only ones in heaven.

[houston]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I've heard folks preach that only those who 1) Repent, 2) are baptized in Jesus name, 3) spoke in tongues and 4) living certain 'standards' will be the only ones in heaven.

I think most of us have heard that.