Creflo Dollar

[SiblingRevelry]

Originally Posted by Esther

Are you talking about spanking or abuse?

Spanking can be abuse.

In the case of Creflo Dollar, apparently he hit the girl with his shoe, then proceeded to choke her. She has a scratch on her neck--he says it's from eczema. Thing is, she didn't call the cops, her 19 YO sister did.

I am of the opinion that since it's a crime to hit an adult (or an animal!!!) like this, it should be a crime to hit a child in the same way. However, there are a lot of people out there who think that they own their children and can do anything they want to them and the government better not interfere. If you can't kick a dog, you better not be kicking your daughter.

[acerrak]

kids need to be whooped for disobedience. the lack of discipline is what is causing this newer generation of rebels to start popping up.

I understand the difference between beatings and whoopings. none the less it isnt supposed to tickle when i smack their rear-end

[SiblingRevelry]

Originally Posted by acerrak

kids need to be whooped for disobedience. the lack of discipline is what is causing this newer generation of rebels to start popping up.

I understand the difference between beatings and whoopings. none the less it isnt supposed to tickle when i smack their rear-end

What's the difference between "whooping" your kid who disobeys and "whooping" your employee if s/he makes a mistake at work that costs you money or damages your business' reputation? I can tell you: if you do the former, you'll get a pass as long as you don't leave physical bruising. If you were to whoop up on your employee, even yelling at someone can be assault. "Offensive touching" can be battery.

Again, I repeat--if someone saw a person whooping on a dog the way some people whoop on their kids, they'd be going to jail for cruelty to animals. I am reminded that the first case of cruelty to a child was brought under an animal abuse statute because there was simply no conception that one could abuse their child prior to the end of the 19th century.

I was hit with a metal flyswatter as a kid back in the 1960s. In the long run, I don't think it taught me anything except how to be a better liar. What got my attention more, and kept me on the straight and narrow, was my father's statement that he wouldn't bail us kids out of jail. He demonstrated this by refusing to bail one of my cousins out. My cousin's coworkers had to pony up the money.

[Nitehawk013]

Yeah...society has just gotten so much better, and kids have become so much more well behaved, since people stopped lighting up their kid's rear ends when they got out of line.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by SiblingRevelry

What's the difference between "whooping" your kid who disobeys and "whooping" your employee if s/he makes a mistake at work that costs you money or damages your business' reputation? I can tell you: if you do the former, you'll get a pass as long as you don't leave physical bruising. If you were to whoop up on your employee, even yelling at someone can be assault. "Offensive touching" can be battery.

Again, I repeat--if someone saw a person whooping on a dog the way some people whoop on their kids, they'd be going to jail for cruelty to animals. I am reminded that the first case of cruelty to a child was brought under an animal abuse statute because there was simply no conception that one could abuse their child prior to the end of the 19th century.

I was hit with a metal flyswatter as a kid back in the 1960s. In the long run, I don't think it taught me anything except how to be a better liar. What got my attention more, and kept me on the straight and narrow, was my father's statement that he wouldn't bail us kids out of jail. He demonstrated this by refusing to bail one of my cousins out. My cousin's coworkers had to pony up the money.

kids need discipline and if you believe in the bible then you will believe when it says do not spare the rod. they need to be taught right from wrong and some times it comes through a spanking, but if you teach them now then the spanking one seem like anything compared to the trouble that you will save them later down the road.

Im not talking about abuse, im talking about teaching them yes and when necessary to punish with a whoopin. sorry time outs dont work, lack of discipline on kids allows them to grow up with out the fear of reprocations.

the difference with a child and a employer which is a stoopid contrast is i have to live with the kid and i am responsible for their actions. A company can simply fire you i cannot simply fire my kids.

its this type of thing that has kids roaming around doing things they should not do knowing they are not going to get in trouble or punished, and then time when they are its just a little slap on the risk ..... no they need it. its the lack of concern for parents for the development of their child if they do not discipline and structure there child.

[SiblingRevelry]

Originally Posted by acerrak

kids need discipline and if you believe in the bible then you will believe when it says do not spare the rod. they need to be taught right from wrong and some times it comes through a spanking, but if you teach them now then the spanking one seem like anything compared to the trouble that you will save them later down the road.

The Bible says a lot of things that we don't do today. We don't practice chattel slavery--which was acceptable in Bible times. We don't kill women who fail to cry out when they're raped or take disobedient children to the elders of the city and have them stoned (that's in the Old Testament laws). Those are some biggies I can think of off the top of my head.

If we can change our minds about those things (and I will admit, here in the USA we fought a civil war, then had a 80+ year period of Jim Crow, and we're still working through the effects), then maybe it's worth looking at whether or not spanking your kids is useful or effective and should be done.

And I am not talking about a swat on a diapered rear end after you grab your child's arm to keep him from running into traffic--I'm talking about the whole ritualized "wait till your father gets home" going out and choosing a switch or picking a belt from dad's collection in the closet. Or the "child training" that some people engage in which involves whacking kids with 1/4 inch plumbing line.

I just believe that people need to think long and hard about spanking, whacking or hitting their children, instead of "well it says in the Bible, spare the rod and spoil the child." Again, I'd point you to things we don't do now even though the Bible approves of them.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by SiblingRevelry

And I am not talking about a swat on a diapered rear end after you grab your child's arm to keep him from running into traffic--I'm talking about the whole ritualized "wait till your father gets home" going out and choosing a switch or picking a belt from dad's collection in the closet. Or the "child training" that some people engage in which involves whacking kids with 1/4 inch plumbing line.

I just believe that people need to think long and hard about spanking, whacking or hitting their children, instead of "well it says in the Bible, spare the rod and spoil the child." Again, I'd point you to things we don't do now even though the Bible approves of them.

that was my childhood. when i messed up I knew i was going to get it. But i did something i knew i shouldnt have done. Yes i got the switch from the tree yes i was whooped with it, and yes i learned from it and i turned out fine.

Kids dont need patty cake with their butt. They need to understand you do wrong it results in punishment. I will lecture my kids, telll them why i am doing this then give them the punishment they meritted.

Im not back handing them in the face or beating them to i see blood. thats abuse.

If this girl was my daughter which i have 2. I would tell her no to the party. her reaction would determine how i would proceed. I dont allow back talk. its a no-no. and if she would have raised her voice or even got a tone change i woudl have grounded her from going outside for a week. If she kept pressing my buttons you better believe im gonna whoop that bottum...

[Nitehawk013]

Proverbs says plainly that you should beat your child to deliver their soul from hell. I believe it is true. Not as in beating to a pulp, but as in beating their hind ends.

[johnny44]

Originally Posted by SiblingRevelry

The Bible says a lot of things that we don't do today. We don't practice chattel slavery--which was acceptable in Bible times. We don't kill women who fail to cry out when they're raped or take disobedient children to the elders of the city and have them stoned (that's in the Old Testament laws). Those are some biggies I can think of off the top of my head.

If we can change our minds about those things (and I will admit, here in the USA we fought a civil war, then had a 80+ year period of Jim Crow, and we're still working through the effects), then maybe it's worth looking at whether or not spanking your kids is useful or effective and should be done.

And I am not talking about a swat on a diapered rear end after you grab your child's arm to keep him from running into traffic--I'm talking about the whole ritualized "wait till your father gets home" going out and choosing a switch or picking a belt from dad's collection in the closet. Or the "child training" that some people engage in which involves whacking kids with 1/4 inch plumbing line.

I just believe that people need to think long and hard about spanking, whacking or hitting their children, instead of "well it says in the Bible, spare the rod and spoil the child." Again, I'd point you to things we don't do now even though the Bible approves of them.

Yes we only spank them now we don't take them out and stone them.

[Nitehawk013]

Originally Posted by SiblingRevelry

The Bible says a lot of things that we don't do today. We don't practice chattel slavery--which was acceptable in Bible times. We don't kill women who fail to cry out when they're raped or take disobedient children to the elders of the city and have them stoned (that's in the Old Testament laws). Those are some biggies I can think of off the top of my head.

If we can change our minds about those things (and I will admit, here in the USA we fought a civil war, then had a 80+ year period of Jim Crow, and we're still working through the effects), then maybe it's worth looking at whether or not spanking your kids is useful or effective and should be done.

And I am not talking about a swat on a diapered rear end after you grab your child's arm to keep him from running into traffic--I'm talking about the whole ritualized "wait till your father gets home" going out and choosing a switch or picking a belt from dad's collection in the closet. Or the "child training" that some people engage in which involves whacking kids with 1/4 inch plumbing line.

I just believe that people need to think long and hard about spanking, whacking or hitting their children, instead of "well it says in the Bible, spare the rod and spoil the child." Again, I'd point you to things we don't do now even though the Bible approves of them.

This just raises a fun question to think about. Should we have ever stopped doing what the Bible demonstrated in those things? Are we really better off by doing things the way we do now instead of the way the book tells us they were to be done?