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[houston]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Well; so was their 'sin' in returning to the (ceremonial) law, then?

Their sin was returning to the law. To return to the law is to turn one's back on Christ. What they are saying is that the blood of Christ is a common thing. That is why there is no sacrifice for their sins. I'm sorry. I said that I was going to leave and not discuss this kind of stuff.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

My post is directed to "Jay" - I'm not a Bible scholar and I have no information regarding your Biblical knowledge - however, if you are familiar with Dr. Daniel Segraves, (in whom I have the utmost confidence in his study of the Bible) - you might want to study his commentary on Hebrews. Paul was actually speaking to those who wanted to return to the law and offering sacrifice.

If you really believe it like you are coming across - then are you saying that a backslider cannot return to the Lord?

Having said all that: I do not believe that grace allows us to live any old way we want after receiving salvation and I do believe that the Lord will "convict" us (for lack of a better term) when we sin and we do need to repent over it. All it takes is a sincere, "I'm sorry, forgive me, Lord" and the work is done. He ALREADY paid the price for ALL our sins.

JMHO

You are right, mostly. Where I disagree is at repentance. I only believe in one act of repentance at conversion. To repent is to turn around. As mich as some people sin, they would be spinning in circles.

I don't believe that when most believers sin that they are turning away from God, requiring a turn back to Him. I believe that they were going forward and fell (sinned), requiring a confession of sin.

[houston]

Okay I'm done.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by houston

You are right, mostly. Where I disagree is at repentance. I only believe in one act of repentance at conversion. To repent is to turn around. As mich as some people sin, they would be spinning in circles.

I don't believe that when most believers sin that they are turning away from God, requiring a turn back to Him. I believe that they were going forward and fell (sinned), requiring a confession of sin.

Hmm; have to think about this one...the semantics kind of get in the way here.

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by houston

You are right, mostly. Where I disagree is at repentance. I only believe in one act of repentance at conversion. To repent is to turn around. As mich as some people sin, they would be spinning in circles.

I don't believe that when most believers sin that they are turning away from God, requiring a turn back to Him. I believe that they were going forward and fell (sinned), requiring a confession of sin.

I can see where you are coming from and re-reading my post, I should have used "confess" instead of "repent"; however, I do believe that at that confession you need to ask for forgiveness.

There is a difference is "living in sin" or "continuing in sin" and "committing a sin" - or "falling and getting back up".

[houston]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Hmm; have to think about this one...the semantics kind of get in the way here.

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[Livelystone]

Originally Posted by houston

No. He is still addressing the same thing.

All sins are deliberate. Quote me.

No.

Some sins are done out of ignorance


1 Timothy 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief

God even made special provisions for sins done out of ignorance

Lev.4:27 And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the Lord concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty;


In Heb 6 it is speaking of those who despite having tasted of the power of the Holy Spirit have returned to sin as a dog that returns to his vomit, God is not going to through guilt and conviction lead them into repentance and "Godly sorrow for their sins. Consequently they "crucify Christ afresh" in their heart by despising God and returning to sin

2 Corinthians 7:10
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death

God is the one who leads us into repentance but for those who prefer to fall back the lusts of their flesh he lets them have what they wish for

Romans 2:4
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Romans 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;


Blessings

Doug

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by houston

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well come on; 'sinning' is 'turning away from God,' in a very real sense...