When You Die...

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

But yes, I have a problem--with people who presume to answer what Scripture will not.

You have yet to quote Salomon's scripture.

And Salomon was not so wise in the long run. You have probably heard of a marriage made in heaven! Solomon had marriages made in hell. We know that because the devil used his pagan wives to turn his heart from God, the worst thing that could ever happen to Solomon. That’s much worse than dying physically, much worse than getting dethroned, much worse than some family problem. Solomon became an idolater because of his wives whom he deeply loved. He sought their approval above God’s. He wanted their good favor and affection more than what the true and living God could give.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

You have yet to quote Salomon's scripture.

I put it in, down there; but it was not meant to contradict you, I hope you understand, but to illuminate that for all your assurances, and flowery words, you have no idea what happens to you when you die. This is intentional. "You are here, and then you are not" is the best that anyone can tell you, 'born again' or not.

[Dordrecht]

No you did not put it in.
That scripture has nothing to do with
Salomon "saying nobody knows".

Maybe you should start reading the gospels.
It's very clear where Christians go when they die.

You are preaching a false gospel.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

No you did not put it in.
That scripture has nothing to do with
Salomon "saying nobody knows".

Maybe you should start reading the gospels.
It's very clear where Christians go when they die.

You are preaching a false gospel.

Um, you might try an alternate reading of the Scripture I quoted; I have seen it written as I quoted it. Surely you are aware that more than one translation of Scriptures exists...

Maybe you should stop pontificating to people about things you are clueless about. It is as clear as mud where Christians "go when they die-" or BAM, enlighten us. You better have a postal address.

I am not interested in your twisted ejaculations of my view of the Gospel, which btw has nothing to do with where a believer goes when they die. To eternal life, of course. "Into the arms of Abraham," tra-la. None of these refute Solomon in Ecclesiastes, nor were they meant to. Sorry if you do not see that there are many more, and expanded, definitions of life after death than your provincial little seminary could inculcate. Deal with it.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Aquila

What happens when we die? What do we expect with regards to Heaven's reality? Here are a few of my thoughts...

Angels Escort the Soul to Heaven - Luke 16:22

When a child of God dies, angels might be found escorting their soul to Heaven.

The Ladder to Heaven - Genesis 28:12

The soul might see a "ladder" leading to Heaven.

The Tunnel Leading to the Light - John 8:12; I John 1:5

A soul might see a tunnel that leads to "the Light".

The Road to Heaven – Isaiah 53:8

A soul might see a road before them that leads to Heaven.

Door to Heaven – Revelation 4:1

One might see a door before them that leads to Heaven.

Life Review - Matthew 12:36-37; Luke 12:2-3; John 5:22 (Jesus is judge);

The soul will encounter a life review wherein their actions and motives are revealed and judged.

Gan Eden (Garden of God/Eden of God/Paradise) – Isaiah 51:3; Ezekiel 28:13

The redeemed find themselves standing in a beautiful and lush garden paradise wherein they are greeted by the souls of family, friends, and loved ones.

The Gates of Pearl – Revelation 21:21

The soul will be brought to the city and see gates of pearl.

Heavenly City (New Jerusalem) – Revelation 21:9-27

The soul will behold a city with a beauty that surpasses all other cities.

Throne, River, Garden, 24 Elders, Tree of Life in Heaven – Revelation 4:4; Revelation 22:1-5;

The soul will see the Throne of God, the river of life, a beautiful garden, the tree of life, all in God's Hevenly throne room.

Time in Heaven - Revelation 6:10; 2 Peter 3:8; Revelation 1:8

There will be a sense of time in Heaven, although Heaven exists outside of time and space.

Door to Gehenna Before the Throne – Revelation 14:10-11

The door to Gehenna is before the very throne of God.

Thoughts?

I grew up believing what I guess most Christians believe. That upon death I would pass from earth to heaven where there would be some kind of accounting of my life (maybe at those pearly gates) and then I would hear 'enter in' and go to get my robe, crown, mansion, and walk on streets of gold. Of course there would be loved ones and friends, and some kind of useful work to do but at the end of the day I could just float on the clouds and play the harp. I think at one point I believed (as many decently educated people still do) that I would get wings and maybe even BE and angel.

My first hint that this was not how it was came when my son came home from the church school and started talking to me about the new Jerusalem, about the millennial reign and about about the Resurrection. Of course on some level I already knew about these things, I'd heard about them, I'd read about them... but I'd never sat through a funeral where they did not say the dearly departed was 'in a better place' or 'with God' or 'an angel now'. I was and still am very confused.

At this point I don't think I believe that 'to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord' because if it were there would be no need for the trumpet that will cause 'the dead in Christ to rise and meet him in the air' unless God is going to pluck us out of heaven and stuff us back in the grave.

This is one (of many, many, many) that made me start to see the bible as more a compilation of stories inspired by God than the 'Infallible Word Of God' (deep booming voice for that quote please)...

So I like hearing what others believe but I don't like people saying that a different opinion is the 'doctrine of devils' or any of that... Honestly, it's pretty easy to extrapolate either message out of what is available in scripture so I think charity should rule in this topic.

[bbyrd009]

a big amen.

[Dordrecht]

a big amen.

Lol, that's cute.

[Michael The Disciple]

At this point I don't think I believe that 'to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord' because if it were there would be no need for the trumpet that will cause 'the dead in Christ to rise and meet him in the air' unless God is going to pluck us out of heaven and stuff us back in the grave.

Right on.

So I like hearing what others believe but I don't like people saying that a different opinion is the 'doctrine of devils' or any of that... Honestly, it's pretty easy to extrapolate either message out of what is available in scripture so I think charity should rule in this topic.

Charity should always rule. However there is such a thing as doctrines of devils and there is such a thing as actually understanding the truth of a matter. Yeshua was very strong about what he wanted men to believe but he was always operating out of love.

When Jude spoke of "contending for the faith" he was not promoting strife. Yet the Spirit knew the huge confusion that can be caused by the teaching of error.

Have I ever been in error? Yes everything I started out believing in 1974 has turned out to have error except just the simple fact Yeshua is the Son of God and we can be saved. I have had to relearn and change it all.

Better to do that tho than to reject light when it is shone!

I have found it true that some people need to be told a little stronger than others. One might accept a truth easily when shown gently. Others may need sharp rebuke to be sound in the faith. Its ok if it brings forth truth and leads to charity in the end.

[Michael The Disciple]

This is SO important to consider!

In 1 Corinthians chapter 15 there are 58 verses and its ALL about life after death. In all 58 verses we can see the theme is the RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD.

In the ENTIRE CHAPTER.......there is not one single mention of being instantly in Heaven upon death!

How devastating to the immortal soul doctrine! Read it again in that light.

Remember the resurrection is a FOUNDATION DOCTRINE of Christ. The immortal soul doctrine if it were true would be more important and powerful than resurrection. Yet it is nowhere among the foundation doctrines of Heb. 6

It is NOWHERE to be found in the whole of 1 Cor. 15 among all 58 verses teaching about life after death!

It is like the Trinity, or like pre trib rapture. It is arrived at by putting verses together that do not fit on the foundation.

There are actually a lot more scriptures that teach the resurrection than instant Heaven. But when you are "stuck" in an idea sometimes you don't notice that.

[imreedemed]

The guys on here talking about a soul coma have their theology twisted. When Jesus died on friday, was the world without God for 3 days? Wasn't His spirit ministering in Hell according to Peter? And the Abraham/ Lazarus parable? Don't we gain eternal life, pass from death unto life on accepting Christ? And the thief on the cross? And what about the souls of the dead saints in revelations 6: 9-10. Y'all can believe whatever you want but im pretty sure to meet with my Lord after my days here on earth are over!