Any "Are You Welcome" tests out there?

[NewbieMisfits]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

No, not wanting to put on costumes is. And it is not a question of how MUCH a costume is put on, but anything is "too much". If the ONLY standard was something small like "all members must wear this pin on their collars" it would be too much.

I agree, over the time before the Menno's and the Apo's, we still dressed modest when visited churches the did not & that brought more humility than when we first became friends with the Menno's not dressed modest. Again, our decision is not based off Det. as you & I both agree it was different times & people take Det out of context/meaning.

But then why haven't you gone to a church that doesn't "require" this?

Originally Posted by Esaias

Don't worry... the conformity issues will arise sooner or later.
We expect it, as with any Church there are always differences. I'm just saying we are not expecting anything major.

We expect it, as with any Church there are always differences. I'm just saying we are not expecting anything major.

Originally Posted by Esaias

To become a Christian requires a person to come to God honestly and sincerely, with humilty and genuine sorrow for sins.

God promises to empower such a one to be a manifestation of God's Eternal Life in this world.

Please don't confuse a lack of faith with 'humilty in not wanting to boast about salvation'.

It isn't 'Gee, look at me, I'm SAAAAAVED!' it's more like 'Gee, look at God, He chose to save such a worm as I'.

You see this Often in Baptist Churches, only after your comment I would add 'but only on Sunday's 10 to lunch'

Perhaps witnessing so much of this is where we came to the conclusion that one cannot simply ask...

[NewbieMisfits]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Acually my wife who is a Sunday school teacher for over 10 years in the UPC church we attend, approached me with the idea and Pentecost is all she knows..I think the whole dress code thing is weighing on her, plus its not a big church and not very many kids in our sunday school classes for our kids to be with..

Great Avatar BTW lol


We have yet to see for ourselves, but how strict is your current Church on atire?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by NewbieMisfits

Great AvataGr BTW lol


We have yet to see for ourselves, but how strict is your current Church on atire?

I always wondered if he stutters in real life.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by NewbieMisfits

You see this Often in Baptist Churches, only after your comment I would add 'but only on Sunday's 10 to lunch'

Perhaps witnessing so much of this is where we came to the conclusion that one cannot simply ask...

Let me be blunt.

Are you saying that you have seen too many people claiming to be 'saved' who give little to no evidence of a genuine CHANGE to a more Biblical, Christ-like life? That you have seen many people claim to be 'christians' who, to put it bluntly, aren't really LIVING FOR GOD? And by 'living for God' I don't mean they keep various church standards in dress or no tv or whatnot, but over all they just don't seem to be ON FIRE for God, not seeking God in everything they do, not taking God SERIOUSLY enough? Kind of like God and Christianity is just one more thing added into their already busy lives, as opposed to being the center, source, purpose, and point of life itself? And therefore you conclude that 'being saved' or being a 'true Christian' can't possibly be as simple, low-brow, low-cost, cheap and generally unremarkable a thing as what you see so commonly demonstrated by millions of professing "Christians"?

Am I getting closer to a correct understanding of where you guys are at right now?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I always wondered if he stutters in real life.

I keep hearing cheesy 80s music in the background everytime I see his avatar.

[KWSS1976]

Well I have tried to address it with some of the members,but they don't want to go there on it, I really think they really can not back it up thats why they do not want to go there,plus I have had conversations on Facebook with some ultra cons about "dress code" and they kind of got a little unchristian like and started calling me names and my wife saw it, which I did not know till the other day and she really did not like it.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Well I have tried to address it with some of the members,but they don't want to go there on it, I really think they really can not back it up thats why they do not want to go there,plus I have had conversations on Facebook with some ultra cons about "dress code" and they kind of got a little unchristian like and started calling me names and my wife saw it, which I did not know till the other day and she really did not like it.

All that over an 80s tv icon for an avatar?

[houston]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

No, not wanting to put on costumes is. And it is not a question of how MUCH a costume is put on, but anything is "too much". If the ONLY standard was something small like "all members must wear this pin on their collars" it would be too much.

Everyday can be Halloween!! Who doesn't like Halloween???

[houston]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

We are fixing to test the waters leaving our UPC church of over 10 years and see whats out there? We are going to start out at an Assemblies of God church and go from there

Oh, I hope you don't end up in a Lakewood-ish church... unless that's what you're looking for.

[NewbieMisfits]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Let me be blunt.

Are you saying that you have seen too many people claiming to be 'saved' who give little to no evidence of a genuine CHANGE to a more Biblical, Christ-like life? That you have seen many people claim to be 'christians' who, to put it bluntly, aren't really LIVING FOR GOD? And by 'living for God' I don't mean they keep various church standards in dress or no tv or whatnot, but over all they just don't seem to be ON FIRE for God, not seeking God in everything they do, not taking God SERIOUSLY enough? Kind of like God and Christianity is just one more thing added into their already busy lives, as opposed to being the center, source, purpose, and point of life itself? And therefore you conclude that 'being saved' or being a 'true Christian' can't possibly be as simple, low-brow, low-cost, cheap and generally unremarkable a thing as what you see so commonly demonstrated by millions of professing "Christians"?

Am I getting closer to a correct understanding of where you guys are at right now?

Not exact but close enough in a messed up world you might be our neighbor lol