Well Technically Speaking....

[n david]

When an individual is baptized, is it the name, titles, or the authority which matters? I'll explain...Mt 28:19 "baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost." Luke 24:47 "that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name..."

Does speaking the titles over someone at baptism cover the authority which comes in the name?

I believe in baptism in Jesus name; I was baptized that way, and I recommend everyone be baptized that way. However, I struggle with condemning someone to hell for being baptized under the titles.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by n david

When an individual is baptized, is it the name, titles, or the authority which matters? I'll explain...Mt 28:19 "baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost." Luke 24:47 "that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name..."

Does speaking the titles over someone at baptism cover the authority which comes in the name?

I believe in baptism in Jesus name; I was baptized that way, and I recommend everyone be baptized that way. However, I struggle with condemning someone to hell for being baptized under the titles.

Nobody's going to hell because of a man who says the 'wrong' words over them at baptism. The bible teaches no such thing.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Pliny

The same book of Romans where Paul elaborates on baptism being in HIM not them!?!? Romans 6.

The same book of Romans that the way to walk in new life is to be baptized in HIM not them!?!? Romans 6:5.

We clearly disagree but I appreciate the spirit of your post. I am glad you baptize in Jesus' name and I hope and pray you will lean more my direction.

Yes, the same. Chapter 4 doesn't contradict chapter 6 or 8 , it lays the foundation for the following chapters.

If someone is truly justified by faith they will want to identify with Christ in baptism and live a Sprit filled life. But salvation isn't in chapter 6, its explained in 3:21-5:2. From that point Paul moves onto elaboration, explanation, and application of the truths of justification by faith.

I'm always praying for more direction, but I've already been where you are and can't see returning to that position.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Yes, the same. Chapter 4 doesn't contradict chapter 6 or 8 , it lays the foundation for the following chapters.

If someone is truly justified by faith they will want to identify with Christ in baptism and live a Sprit filled life. But salvation isn't in chapter 6, its explained in 3:21-5:2. From that point Paul moves onto elaboration, explanation, and application of the truths of justification by faith.

I'm always praying for more direction, but I've already been where you are and can't see returning to that position.

We then must agree to disagree.

I appreciate you NOT being disagreeable and hope I have not been to you.

Take Care

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by The Lemon

Just throwing out a question that I know has been asked and talked about on here probably a zillion times but at any rate here goes:

Saw a post today from a friend and minister and her was preaching (or ranting) about how your sins can only be remmitted if when you are baptized the preacher proclaims the name of Jesus.

Further more - he went on to say if you were baptized in the titles that you were decieved by the devil and that you would reside in the lake of fire if you are not baptized "correctly".

That is the jist at any rate. Now - I am not starting this so we all can berate one another on this subject - that said, my initial question after I read his post was - "Do we really believe that God sends people to Hell for all eternity over a technicality?"

Now, if I baptize, I do do it in the name of Jesus, and would personally not do it any other way - but that being said, I have a serious problem with grouping folks as unsaved and hellbound over what was or was not said at the moment of baptism.

Call me a coward, but it is a bit of a gray area to me and I was astonished at how bold and matter of fact this preacher friend was putting it in his post - I kinda scratched my head on that one..

Well any doctrine could be called a technicality, Whether a person goes to Hell or not for not properly doing this or that is not for us to decide, for he is the one that created the rules and it is him who decides how much he is willing to bend the rules to let some people into heaven.

Our goal should be to adhere as much as possible to his rules, not to think that his rules are simply suggestions.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Baptism is in FACT part of the gospel.
Acts 2:38 is as much part of the gospel as the cross.

I totally disagree, the Gospel is the life, the death, the burial and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. That is the gospel.

If we believe the Gospel then we imitate Jesus by repentance (the Death), the burial (Baptism in the name of Jesus), the resurrection (our filling with the holy spirit) and living for him (His life).

The Gospel is what Jesus did.
Our response to the Gospel is what we do.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Well any doctrine could be called a technicality, Whether a person goes to Hell or not for not properly doing this or that is not for us to decide, for he is the one that created the rules and it is him who decides how much he is willing to bend the rules to let some people into heaven.

Our goal should be to adhere as much as possible to his rules, not to think that his rules are simply suggestions.

This is it!

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by houston

Sins are not forgiven at baptism. Acts 2:38 is not a part of the gospel.

Correct Acts 2:38 is not part of the Gospel, but sins do are remitted at baptism.

[Michael The Disciple]

Generally speaking baptism into the name of Jesus IS more about the convert calling on his name than about what the baptizer says. Yet if the baptizer teaches the wrong thing to the convert he will be confused.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Bottom line, making it simple, it doesn't matter what another man utters while immersing someone.

If it doesn't matter, then it would be fine for me to baptize others in my name?

What if I decide to baptize people into the name of Bill Clinton or perhaps Ronald Regan.