Bullies and bullying- how close to home is it?

[houston]

Originally Posted by Esaias

That's pretty good tactics, actually.

HATE is such a strong word... I highly dislike it here.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Now back to the original topic. One of the reasons 'Jordan' felt this way was probably because of, or at least influenced by, the nihilism so prevalent in public culture today, especially in public schools. Society is literally smothering young people today with political correctness garbage which is nothing more than communism. We have communism running rampant in america, especially in the educational system. Communist countries were always drab, dreary, suffocating places that sucked the life out of the people. Combine that with popular entertainment, and 'popular youth culture' designed by Hollyweird's antichrist communists and shoved down their throats everyday, and what do you expect? Pointless people with totally messed up 'values' and no training in how to deal with life.

And the horrible thing about it is that all this has been PLANNED. It's intentional.

America has become the Animal Farm.

While I agree with the above, I'm failing to see how it plays into teens killing themselves over bullying.

PC ........ makes me sick.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Esaias

And here's the REAL source of the problems:

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

And again,

The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.

And,

Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand.

And,

Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.

As a nation we have rejected God, and so it is no wonder our children are enslaved by the devil.

I believe you have hit it on the head here! We took God out of school and brought guns in. The government takes the rights of the parents away and wonders why the prisons are overcrowded.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by houston

I try to stay on the main highways as much as possible. I have had less than pleasurable experiences wondering into areas that I am unfamiliar with. The only time spent in the loop (610) is when I am on the 10 or the 59. I do not go more than two blocks distance from a highway.

There are places I used to walk as a kid in the suburbs that I won't even drive through in the daytime today!

[houston]

Originally Posted by Sasha

While I agree with the above, I'm failing to see how it plays into teens killing themselves over bullying. PC ........ makes me sick.

he is saying that kids are over nurtured. they are not allowed to experience pain and disappointments... then when they do, they do not know how to cope with it...

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by houston

he is saying that kids are over nurtured. they are not allowed to experience pain and disappointments... then when they do, they do not know how to cope with it...

I'm not sure how someone can assume that, especially since most of these kids don't have both parents in the home and the other who is either gone all the time or on welfare and drugs. And many kids, especially those in the larger urban areas, hope to get home safely on a daily basis. At least my kids don't have to worry about someone shooting them when on their way home.

Their school has an armed cop, however.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Sasha

I'm not sure how someone can assume that, especially since most of these kids don't have both parents in the home and the other who is either gone all the time or on welfare and drugs. And many kids, especially those in the larger urban areas, hope to get home safely on a daily basis. At least my kids don't have to worry about someone shooting them when on their way home.

Their school has an armed cop, however.

It's not just 'overnurturing', it's a combination of things. 'Different strokes for different folks' is the devil's motto, as far as I can tell. He offers one path to destruction to one group, and another path to another, depending on what their situation is.

But a lot of the 'soft' kids i know about, have horrible home lives. I mean parents who aren't there, who basically despise their own children and let them know it, etc. There's just something missing in the psyche of a lot of youth today. I know many people I grew up with who had unbelievably horrible home lives, who were anything BUT 'nurtured', who did not turn out as 'helpless' as I see a lot of kids today.

In fact that's what it is - learned helplessness. I guess. I see so many kids who seem barely able to tie their shoelaces without someone holding their hand.

Some kids get too much 'affirmation' so that can't deal with 'rejection' or opposition. Other kids get no affirmation to the point they crave it so bad they can't get along without it.

I mean, it's like young people today are just fragile or something.

Of course, I know for a fact my dad felt pretty much the same way about my generation. And I know my grandpa probably felt the same way about my parents' generation, lol.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by n david

Bullying has always been around. I was a geeky, skinny PK and had no friends in the church. I hated going to private school because I was constantly bullied and picked on. The Principal was also the PE and shop class teacher. He'd stand by and laugh as the several guys would hold me down and pound on my arms and legs, giving me "charlie horses." I'd be locked in closets or lockers for 30 min to an hour at a time, shoved when walking down stairs, had numerous wedgies and times when they tried shoving my head in the toilet.

Yet I never entertained the idea of suicide or revenge. It was just a different time. Kids weren't so coddled and soft back then.

Bullying is an issue, but IMO it's been way overblown the past couple years.

The difference between those who entertain suicide or revenge and those who don't is often FAMILY SUPPORT.

You got picked on at school but I am going to guess you had some family support.

It irks me when those with family support think that those without family support who entertain suicide are "coddled".

Please tell me I misunderstood you.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Sasha

The problem was, I wasn't coddled, soft, or protected at all. I was an angry, hateful child and teenager who prayed nightly for the death of people I knew, including my own mother.

Perhaps it's a good thing we didn't have a gun anywhere around...

Can I ask where you were raised?

Those who were usually protected some at home usually could tough it through outside harassment better than those who weren't. Usually it's those who had protection at home who like to throw the word "coddled" around.

I do get sick of having to protect kids from every little thing and the kumbaya atmosphere of a lot of school stuff. But I get just as tired of people who had good family support acting stronger than those who didn't have it. They are often pretty clueless.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Sasha

I totally understand what he's saying, and it's not blaming the UPC for anything. In my case, people in the church saw me as a child that needed to be whipped several times daily until my mom got rid of the rebellion everyone thought they saw. So, I was bullied at school and when I acted out, instead of people seeing that I was troubled and needed assistance, my actions were seen as rebellious and misbehavior, and I was punished on a daily basis. Coincidentally, it was UPC folks including the pastor who are to blame for what my mother did to me, not the UPC itself.

I wasn't there when this happened to you, but I believe you. Sorry it happened.