Why Baptism Doesn't Wash Away Sins, Acts 10:43

[Originalist]

I've never heard it taught that baptism washes away sin. It is ,however, you symbolically renouncing the flesh and putting to death your old man. It is also a surrender of the temple of your body to the authority of the One who purchased it as his dwelling. It is a step towards the new birth. We simply cannot ignore Jesus' own words...


He who believes and is baptized shall be saved (saved by "washing of new birth and renewing of the Holy Ghost" as Paul said in Titus 3:5. If we are not willing to renounce the old man, we cannot expect to receive the new man.)

[Abiding Now]

Absolutely amazing...............................

[Abiding Now]

It would appear that "Simple Believism" is alive on AFF and anyone that advocates repentance, water baptism, infilling of the Holy Ghost and separation is ADDING TO the work of Calvary.
Bunch of Baptist!

[houston]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

It would appear that "Simple Believism" is alive on AFF and anyone that advocates repentance, water baptism, infilling of the Holy Ghost and separation is ADDING TO the work of Calvary. Bunch of Baptist!

I don't know anyone (here) who doesn't believe in repentance, water baptism, and the Holy Spirit.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by houston

I don't know anyone (here) who doesn't believe in repentance, water baptism, and the Holy Spirit.

Right. Believing in "repentance, water baptism, and the Holy Spirit" and saying that they essential for one's salvation is two different things.

[renee819]

You said it, Esaias,
There are people on here that are “rebels at heart” and we can give them a dozen scriptures and it makes no difference. Evidently they don't believe the Bible, only their own heart. Even saying lay the Bible down to get closer to God.

I pray that no one listens to them. And I pray that God will open their eyes.

Esaias wrote,

Why is there an issue about this? I cannot fathom why someone would spend so much effort trying to prove baptism doesn't save us, sins aren't washed away in baptism, baptism is a 'work', baptism doesn't really do much of anything... what's the point? Such arguments only seem to support someone who wants to REFUSE TO BE BAPTISED. Whoever heard of a believer in Jesus who REFUSED TO BE BAPTISED?

It's like finding an answer to a question never asked, or a solution to a problem that doesn't actually exist

Houston wrote

So we should shut up as y'all proclaim that baptism is for the forgiveness of sins?

I don't believe that anyone said “ that baptism is for the forgiveness of sins.” God forgives when a person repents. And we are told in Gods Word, that baptism washes those forgiven sins away. It also tells us, 'it is a circumcision of the heart.”

Circumcision in the natural cuts away part of the flesh. Circumcision of the heart, since all our thoughts come from the heart, is burying the old man, the flesh, in a watery grave, to rise to walk in newness of life. That newness would be in “the fear of the Lord,” to learn to hate evil, but because we have free will, many go back and revive, pick up the old man again.

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection

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There are parts of the Bible, that if we could we would question the interpreters, but to question God's Plan of salvation, is to shake our fist at God, telling Him that we know of a better way.

[votivesoul]

How about some OT typology?

Anyone want to fit their particular view of water baptism into the sacrificial system of the Tabernacle and/or Temple?

Because if anyone is willing, I would like to see how anyone can come to some other conclusion, based off the typology of coming to God, that actually fits.

Altar of Sacrifice = Death of the Savior = Repentance from Dead Works

Laver of Water = Burial of the Savior = Water Baptism in Jesus' Name

Altar of Incense = Resurrection of the Savior = Infilling of the Holy Spirit

Ark of the Covenant in the Holiest of All = Ascension of Christ to Heaven to the Right Hand of the Father = Eternal Salvation of the Believer

Note, too, that the particular arrangement of all the articles, plus the menorah and the table inside of the holy place to the left and right, when looked at from above, make the shape of the cross.

But God's not trying to tell anyone anything, is He?

[Dordrecht]

Let me ask you this:

When a person repents and comes to Christ, that person is saved. The Bible says so.

Now this person decides to get baptized a week later and gets killed in the car on his way to the baptism service.......is that person going to hell because he/she was not baptized yet?

Please people give your head a shake!
Get rid of that legalism in your life.

[houston]

I am with Blumeberg... baptism is the circumcision of the heart! I don't know anyone else that believes that.


That being said, Abraham's faith is what justified him. Circumcision was a sign of his covenant with God. These mythical people that refuse to be baptized are refusing to enter into covenant with God, they are showing that they do not have faith, they are not justified.

Now, baptism to obtain forgiveness? No! Baptism because of forgiveness... Do sinners enter into a covenant with God?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by houston

I am with Blumeberg... baptism is the circumcision of the heart! I don't know anyone else that believes that.


That being said, Abraham's faith is what justified him. Circumcision was a sign of his covenant with God. These mythical people that refuse to be baptized are refusing to enter into covenant with God, they are showing that they do not have faith, they are not justified.

Now, baptism to obtain forgiveness? No! Baptism because of forgiveness... Do sinners enter into a covenant with God?

The word in the Greek is "in order that your sins may be forgiven". But that does not mean baptism washes away sins, or that your forgiven on the basis of baptism.