Glory Clouds And Gold, or Fog and Glitter?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by BISHOP177

Now folks... can you handle the WORD? Water out of a rock??? Birds flying so low by the thousands and ALL could reach out & grab a wonderful dinner? Water into wine? "Thy sins be forgiven you" Careful of trying to keep your Little and totally organized god in your box.. He'll break out!

True, but the people weren't looking for these things. They followed God and He made it happen. Today, many are looking for gold, fog and glitter instead of just living faithfully and with sobriety.

It reminds me of those that wanted the fishes and loaves, but they didn't want to go to the cross with Him.

The people were so moved by the miracles that Paul was performing that they wanted to touch him with their aprons and handkerchiefs taking them to the sick who could not be present.

Today we are anointing handkerchiefs with oil and passing them out. That isn't the story in Acts 19. I do believe faith moves God, but we can take certain items and make gold and glitter out of it. I don't need a handkerchief, I just need faith and a prayer.

[Pressing-On]

This right here is what the NT church should be about. This is what I call gold and glitter.

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[Reader]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The Cloud...or the Glory, is already in our services. You don't usually see it

Prax, just for the record, I am not attempting to discredit what you say you saw.

What concerns me is any attempt to claim the Bible states we will be seeing God perform things like feathers falling in service, jewels, gold dust, gold teeth, and, yes, even clouds.

Absolutely, God's glory is present when believers gather.

Now folks... can you handle the WORD? Water out of a rock??? Birds flying so low by the thousands and ALL could reach out & grab a wonderful dinner? Water into wine? "Thy sins be forgiven you" Careful of trying to keep your Little and totally organized god in your box.. He'll break out!

This does not pertain to putting God in a box. My God is by no means little.

What you shared is quite different from gold dust appearing in a service or feathers falling or anything similar. Are you aware that people have actually been caught planting these items? Or that alleged gold dust has been found to be nothing more than the glitter you buy in the store? Or that people who have claimed to received a gold filling "forgot" that their dentist put it in?

And, incidentally, the people paid a price for wanting more than the manna.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Reader

Prax, just for the record, I am not attempting to discredit what you say you saw.

What concerns me is any attempt to claim the Bible states we will be seeing God perform things like feathers falling in service, jewels, gold dust, gold teeth, and, yes, even clouds.

Absolutely, God's glory is present when believers gather.



This does not pertain to putting God in a box. My God is by no means little.

What you shared is quite different from gold dust appearing in a service or feathers falling or anything similar. Are you aware that people have actually been caught planting these items? Or that alleged gold dust has been found to be nothing more than the glitter you buy in the store? Or that people who have claimed to received a gold filling "forgot" that their dentist put it in?

And, incidentally, the people paid a price for wanting more than the manna.

God didn't say "Ye shall see", but it did happen in the bible

Same goes with angels.

IF you study the Glory (Shekina) you'll see many NT references to it as Light, Glory and Presence. Sometimes we hear of the Glory of God being seen and at other times we don't.

[votivesoul]

People lifting theirs hands to and praising a cloud?

I say "Nehushtan". Trust in the LORD God of Israel like King Hezekiah (2 Kings 18:1-5).

[votivesoul]

Has no one in their pre-Christian days ever been to a concert in which similar clouds are manifested over a bunch of sweaty people, especially near super hot stage lights? Or am I the only one?

[n david]

Bill Johnson, Bethel and Jesus Culture are wayyyy out there. Johnson even promotes what's referred to as "grave sucking."

“There are anointings, mantles, revelations and mysteries that have lain unclaimed, literally where they were left because the generation that walked in them never passed them on. I believe it’s possible for us to recover realms of anointing, realms of insight, realms of God that have been untended for decades simply by choosing to reclaim them and perpetuate them for future generations.”

Grave sucking is where you go to a graveyard where an empowered believer was buried. You then either place your hand on the tombstone or lay on top of the tombstone and pray that the power this believer had is transferred to you.

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[n david]

It's interesting reading the comment sections of these articles.

This one made me chuckle:

how many of you would stay at church until 11p or 12am and just worship the Lord? Not many. These things happened on Friday nights late late at night. I know God does things we don't understand. We can't be on the fence, we're either all in or not.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by n david

Bill Johnson, Bethel and Jesus Culture are wayyyy out there. Johnson even promotes what's referred to as "grave sucking."



Grave sucking is where you go to a graveyard where an empowered believer was buried. You then either place your hand on the tombstone or lay on top of the tombstone and pray that the power this believer had is transferred to you.

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Wow, that is just so weird! That is what happens when people begin to follow "miracles, signs and wonders" and take their eyes off the Lord Jesus, and follow these things. The enemy knows no limits when it comes to delusion.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Wow, that is just so weird! That is what happens when people begin to follow "miracles, signs and wonders" and take their eyes off the Lord Jesus, and follow these things. The enemy knows no limits when it comes to delusion.

There is nothing new under the sun. Ancient Catholics used to meet in graveyards and catacombs, not to hide, but to be near the bodies of departed saints and martyrs, even to the point of idolizing relics of their corpses.

It is astounding to see how quickly the Charismatic movement, more so than any other group, is descending into medieval Catholic mysticism. I wonder why?