Truth and Deception - Page 4

KeptByTheWord · #31 06-26-2014, 10:59 AM

Jesus said, I am the way the TRUTH and the life, no man cometh unto the Father by me. So, following Jesus, is following truth.

There are impurities, and things in each of our lives that are constantly needing to go through the purifying process, and that is why we carry a cross daily. If we believe this, then we must also understand that if there is something impure in our hearts, then purifying through the fire will bring it out to the light where it can be removed. This seems to be a continual process that a believer allows himself to go through.

So, following Jesus, who is Truth, will bring me to see any untruth in my life, of which I must be willing to cast off, to continue following Him.

KeptByTheWord · #32 06-26-2014, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG

Well none of us have all the truth. We never will.....

No, not in this life. I believe that as we continue to walk and follow Jesus, who is Truth, that if our hearts are looking to Him for truth, that we can have all that is available for us to have in this life.

NotforSale · #33 06-26-2014, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG

Well none of us have all the truth. We never will.....

Michael The Disciple · #34 06-26-2014, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG

Well none of us have all the truth. We never will.....

Jesus said the Holy Spirit guides one into all truth. If we don't have all truth we are resisting him in some way.

ILG · #35 06-26-2014, 02:41 PM

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Jesus said the Holy Spirit guides one into all truth. If we don't have all truth we are resisting him in some way.

No. Guides. Not has.

jfrog · #36 06-26-2014, 03:30 PM

I felt some distaste at your tares analogy at first but in the end it makes perfect sense. Nor does the additional understanding of wheat and tares invalidate Jesus' earlier message about them.

KeptByTheWord · #37 06-26-2014, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Jesus said the Holy Spirit guides one into all truth. If we don't have all truth we are resisting him in some way.

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Originally Posted by ILG

No. Guides. Not has.

John 16:12-13 "I have many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit, when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself: but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak, and he will shew you things to come."

Jesus said the Spirit of Truth was going to speak of things to come. This seems to imply that there are things that are unknown, that will have to be made known in time to come.

KeptByTheWord · #38 06-26-2014, 10:16 PM

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I felt some distaste at your tares analogy at first but in the end it makes perfect sense. Nor does the additional understanding of wheat and tares invalidate Jesus' earlier message about them.

Parables can have multiple meanings, just as prophecies. This doesn't mean that this is the only "right" interpretation of that passage, but it is good to discuss and see what valuable lesson could be also learned here.

Sean · #39 06-26-2014, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Parables can have multiple meanings, just as prophecies. This doesn't mean that this is the only "right" interpretation of that passage, but it is good to discuss and see what valuable lesson could be also learned here.

Better said, there is one interpretation, but many applications

votivesoul · #40 06-26-2014, 11:45 PM

The wheat and tares idea as presented by the Lord in Scripture doesn't allow for the view that one individual person can be both at the same time.

The stalk of wheat is a child of God and His Kingdom. The tare is a child of Satan and is of his kingdom.

A person cannot be both at the same time.

1 John 3:4-10,

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4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

One must either be God's or not God's (i.e. they are of their father the devil). It is a mutually exclusive proposition.

What can be said, however, is that we have a law of sin in us which has corrupted our flesh. Our flesh and the Holy Spirit of God are at war with each other, what the Bible calls enmity (Romans 8:7)

Galatians 5:16-17,

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16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

So, instead of saying that all believers in Messiah Jesus have wheat and tares in them, it would be more accurate to say that all believers in Messiah Jesus have a battle raging between their flesh and the Spirit, only and insomuch as the individual believer is unwilling to crucify their flesh.

But and if the believer will allow the Holy Spirit to transform and renew their mind, then the power of sin in their flesh can be destroyed. And once destroyed, the believer is free to be led into all truth.

1 John 2:20-21,

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20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

We endanger faith in the Holy Scriptures if we insist that truth is not knowable or that being led into the truth, that is, into ALL TRUTH, is not possible.

The truth of God, sufficient for salvation and doctrinal accuracy in regards to the doctrine of Christ, is obtainable.

2 John 1:7-11,

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7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

It is only when we sow to the flesh and so, give heed to deceivers and antichrists, that we lose the things which God, through the Apostles, wrought in the earth as it relates to the True Church. On account of our flesh and our willingness to heed the false teachings of deceivers and antichrists, we fall away and stop abiding in the doctrines of Christ. When that occurs, we allow many things which are not of God, into our lives and hearts, even to the point of partaking in the evil deeds of others, insomuch as we bless them, i.e. those, who, as the verse above indicates, are undeserving of the blessing of God.