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07-29-2014, 12:43 PM
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Re: Preachers stealing sermons
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Originally Posted by jfrog
What if god inspired you to preach another preachers sermon?
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First of all I don't think God would do that. He might impress on a preacher the same concepts and subject matter but God is not lazy nor does he expect us to be lazy. Just don't see God going that route.
However if he did by some chance I would think the preacher would be very unethical if he did not attribute the sermon to the preacher who originally preached it.
In life usually the most obvious reason / solution is the correct one and I think in the case of a preacher preaching another preachers sermon word for word the reason is laziness.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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07-29-2014, 12:46 PM
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Re: Preachers stealing sermons
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Back in the 70s had all those Mark Hanby clones his messages got a lot of mileage.
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Very true but none preached them as good as he did! In the 70's Mark Hanby and Kenneth Phillips were my favorite preachers. MH was more polished than KP but both preached to tremendous response and results.
MH was a wordsmith and KP could bring a person face to face with their position with God better than anybody I ever heard.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-30-2014, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by barry72
How would you feel if you heard a minister preach a sermon and then later heard the exact sermon word for word by a well known speaker?
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Disturbed.
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07-30-2014, 07:09 PM
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Re: Preachers stealing sermons
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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo
Disturbed.
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Back in MH heyday myself and some men from the church went to a meeting a couple hours away I put in a tape I had just got of MH it was awesome. We got to the meeting the preacher got up and preached this message word for word. I was so embarrassed.
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07-30-2014, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FlamingZword
I would say that minister is lazy.
Come on I have always written my own sermons from scratch, I never had to preach another's man sermon.
Yes it takes some time to write your own sermons, but at least the message is yours not what some other preacher thought.
if you can not write your own sermons, then why are you even in the ministry? you got not message of your own. you are just a parrot, preaching what others have preached, might as well play a tape recorder and save the trouble of reading it.
I have never once preached any other preacher's sermon, because it was not given by God to me, it was given to that preacher.  |
Agreed!
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"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
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07-31-2014, 08:06 AM
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Re: Preachers stealing sermons
I am interested in the preaching and teaching style of Paul. He was not a so-called pulpit master, nor eloquent, but he had a head full of info that the early church needed. He did not have an opening remark with mood music accompaniment, deliver a message eloquently, then close with a readers digest story to get an altar call. He just explained stuff that was relevant to their walk with God as needed. He was powerful in his simple form of ministry.
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07-31-2014, 08:39 AM
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Re: Preachers stealing sermons
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Originally Posted by Sean
I am interested in the preaching and teaching style of Paul. He was not a so-called pulpit master, nor eloquent, but he had a head full of info that the early church needed. He did not have an opening remark with mood music accompaniment, deliver a message eloquently, then close with a readers digest story to get an altar call. He just explained stuff that was relevant to their walk with God as needed. He was powerful in his simple form of ministry.
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I understand your point and I agree in principle....however, the truth is we don't have a clue as to how the Apostle Paul (or any of the Bible characters for that matter) presented their messages (their homiletic style). We do know that he approached people from where they were and led them to greater revelation. His "eloquence" may have been more than we give him credit for....remember he was an incredibly educated man. Jesus used parables (stories) to deliver principles and impart truth. Far too often (and I am not accusing you of this) people have used the "unlearned" description of the apostles as an excuse for not studying and proper hermeneutics....I believe we should become the best that we can be.
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07-31-2014, 08:43 AM
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Re: Preachers stealing sermons
Aw, give the guy a break, some preachers haven't had an original thought in YEARS, gotta get sermons material to feed those little sheepies from somewhere.
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07-31-2014, 09:27 AM
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Re: Preachers stealing sermons
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Back in MH heyday myself and some men from the church went to a meeting a couple hours away I put in a tape I had just got of MH it was awesome. We got to the meeting the preacher got up and preached this message word for word. I was so embarrassed.
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Wow! I bet on the way home after that service you had some interesting conversation... lol!
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07-31-2014, 09:38 AM
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Re: Preachers stealing sermons
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Originally Posted by bishoph
I understand your point and I agree in principle....however, the truth is we don't have a clue as to how the Apostle Paul (or any of the Bible characters for that matter) presented their messages (their homiletic style). We do know that he approached people from where they were and led them to greater revelation. His "eloquence" may have been more than we give him credit for....remember he was an incredibly educated man. Jesus used parables (stories) to deliver principles and impart truth. Far too often (and I am not accusing you of this) people have used the "unlearned" description of the apostles as an excuse for not studying and proper hermeneutics....I believe we should become the best that we can be.
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Dear Bishop
You are right, we need to study and get better.
I am ashamed of some of my early sermons, I mean they were horrible. I just keep on studying so that I can get better.
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