Left Behind nonsense Movie - Page 4

FlamingZword · #1 10-08-2014, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BINGO

Our Pastor had cards made up for outreach, we pass them out at the theaters after every showing!

What a waste of ink and paper, No one is going to left behind, because there is no such silly nonsense as the rapture.

The word rapture is not in the Bible
The word rapture is not in the Bible
The word rapture is not in the Bible
The word rapture is not in the Bible
The word rapture is not in the Bible
The word rapture is not in the Bible
The word rapture is not in the Bible
The word rapture is not in the Bible
The word rapture is not in the Bible
The word rapture is not in the Bible

Sean · #2 10-08-2014, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

What a waste of ink and paper, No one is going to left behind, because there is no such silly nonsense as the rapture.

The word rapture is not in the Bible
The word rapture is not in the Bible
The word rapture is not in the Bible
The word rapture is not in the Bible
The word rapture is not in the Bible
The word rapture is not in the Bible
The word rapture is not in the Bible
The word rapture is not in the Bible
The word rapture is not in the Bible
The word rapture is not in the Bible

Neither is the word "BIBLE"

Sean · #3 10-08-2014, 06:34 PM

Folks are fascinated with prophecy. That is a great way to get visitors to the church. Prophecy should be taught regularly.

houston · #4 10-08-2014, 07:14 PM

Isn't it there in Greek?

Truthseeker · #5 10-08-2014, 10:43 PM

Is not the righteous left behind anyways?

KeptByTheWord · #6 10-09-2014, 08:38 AM

The resurrection of the dead, and the coming of the Lord are the two biblical terms for the idea of the catching away of the saints, and the transformation from mortal to immortality.

The whole premise behind the "Left Behind" movies is that it will be a secret event, and people will just disappear, and no one will know why, which is totally false.

Read this passage here - it couldn't be plainer, in my opinion:

Matt. 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

After the days of tribulation, then the sign of the Son of man shall appear, and ALL the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they SHALL SEE Jesus, who shall send his angels with the GREAT SOUND of a trumpet to gather his elect from the four corners of the earth.

There is nothing in the above passage that suggests a silent, stealthy, mysterious event. EVERYONE on earth will know what is happening. There will be no doubt in anyone's mind what has taken place.

mfblume · #7 10-09-2014, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

The resurrection of the dead, and the coming of the Lord are the two biblical terms for the idea of the catching away of the saints, and the transformation from mortal to immortality.

The whole premise behind the "Left Behind" movies is that it will be a secret event, and people will just disappear, and no one will know why, which is totally false.

Read this passage here - it couldn't be plainer, in my opinion:

Matt. 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

After the days of tribulation, then the sign of the Son of man shall appear, and ALL the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they SHALL SEE Jesus, who shall send his angels with the GREAT SOUND of a trumpet to gather his elect from the four corners of the earth.

There is nothing in the above passage that suggests a silent, stealthy, mysterious event. EVERYONE on earth will know what is happening. There will be no doubt in anyone's mind what has taken place.

The rapture is not in Matt 24. It's in John 5, 1 Cor 15 and 1 Thess 4.

KeptByTheWord · #8 10-09-2014, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

We believe in the rapture. We just believe it happens after the Tribulation.

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Originally Posted by mfblume

The rapture is not in Matt 24. It's in John 5, 1 Cor 15 and 1 Thess 4.

Ok... then when was the sign of the son of Man in the sky? When have ALL the tribes of the earth mourned? When has EVERYONE seen the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and glory? When have the angels sounded a trumpet and gathered all the elect together?

mfblume · #9 10-09-2014, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Ok... then when was the sign of the son of Man in the sky?

Notice the terminology. It is HEAVEN, not the sky. We cannot see into heaven. It was A "SIGN" of Jesus in Heaven. If it was the Son of man Himself there would be no mention of a SIGN for HIM.

If we read Daniel 7, we read of the son of man IN CLOUDS IN HEAVEN, but He went to the throne, not the earth. And the SIGN OF THAT -- the sign of Him having gone to the throne -- were events that occurred on earth. the SIGN the disciples asked about in verse 3. And that SIGN of what they asked about is the same SIGN of the temple destruction in Mark 13:4 and Luke 21:7. Note reference to THESE THINGS in those verses and read before them to see what THESE THINGS refer to. they sought a sign of Jesus coming in destruction!

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When have ALL the tribes of the earth mourned?

EARTH is LAND in Greek. TRIBES OF THE LAND. Isreal's tribes. Do you not think they mourned when the capital city and temple were razed to the ground?

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When has EVERYONE seen the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and glory?

He came TO THE THRONE as Daniel 7 attests. THE SIGN OF THAT presence in clouds in heaven was the things he said would occur in Jerusalem.

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When have the angels sounded a trumpet and gathered all the elect together?

You have to understand what the gathering means to know that, and that is understood by what we read using the same terms in Matt 23:37. What did he mean there? Also, compare Matt 23:36, and consider who he meant, with Matt 24:34.

Matthew 24:34 GNB Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died.

KeptByTheWord · #10 10-09-2014, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Notice the terminology. It is HEAVEN, not the sky. We cannot see into heaven. It was A "SIGN" of Jesus in Heaven. If it was the Son of man Himself there would be no mention of a SIGN for HIM.

If we read Daniel 7, we read of the son of man IN CLOUDS IN HEAVEN, but He went to the throne, not the earth. And the SIGN OF THAT -- the sign of Him having gone to the throne -- were events that occurred on earth. the SIGN the disciples asked about in verse 3. And that SIGN of what they asked about is the same SIGN of the temple destruction in Mark 13:4 and Luke 21:7. Note reference to THESE THINGS in those verses and read before them to see what THESE THINGS refer to. they sought a sign of Jesus coming in destruction!

I don't quite follow how you believe the sign of the son of man in heaven was the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem - that's a far stretch!

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Originally Posted by mfblume

EARTH is LAND in Greek. TRIBES OF THE LAND. Isreal's tribes. Do you not think they mourned when the capital city and temple were razed to the ground?

Trying to assign the tribes of Israel to that portion of scripture is a stretch as well!

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Originally Posted by mfblume

He came TO THE THRONE as Daniel 7 attests. THE SIGN OF THAT presence in clouds in heaven was the things he said would occur in Jerusalem.

You have to understand what the gathering means to know that, and that is understood by what we read using the same terms in Matt 23:37. What did he mean there? Also, compare Matt 23:36, and consider who he meant, with Matt 24:34.

Matthew 24:34 GNB Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died.

Basically, what you've done here is turned the entire passage of Matt 24 into a parable, symbolic spiritual passage, without acknowledging that there is a literal interpretation as well. I do believe part of the passage is referring to the a.d. 70 Jewish destruction, however.... I don't believe that was all that Jesus was referencing in that chapter.... You are grasping at straws and extra meanings of words to try and insert your view there.

Sean did a great job of explaining in another thread that this chapter involves Jesus answering three questions the disciples had asked. Jesus answered all three of those questions in the passage of Matt. 24:3 (1. When shall these things be? 2. What shall be the sign of thy coming? 3. What shall be the end of the world?) in that chapter, which we know cannot only hold the answer for the ad 70 destruction of the temple, because here we are 2000 years later, and the world has not ended.