Who was saved or lost in Old Testament??

[allstate1]

Lol. And in and around UPC for 43 years. Grandpa a pastor along with uncles and cousins. So maybe I'm just not asking my questions or making my points so they are easily understood. I believe it was the sacrifices that saved them.

[mfblume]

Since the sacrifices were shadows of Christ on the cross, God applied their obedience and faith towards those sacrifices as though it was upon Christ, but only after Christ actually died. That would seem to mean they were saved when Christ resurrected and made atonement. He counted their faith as faith toward the cross when Christ actually made atonement.

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Since the sacrifices were shadows of Christ on the cross, God applied their obedience and faith towards those sacrifices as though it was upon Christ, but only after Christ actually died. That would seem to mean they were saved when Christ resurrected and made atonement. He counted their faith as faith toward the cross when Christ actually made atonement.

I can agree with this. But if they made no sacrifice would they still be saved on faith alone? I don't think so

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by allstate1

I can agree with this. But if they made no sacrifice would they still be saved on faith alone? I don't think so

Amen. Faith in sacrifice was the all-important key. Not just sacrifice. And not just faith. Both are absolutely necessary.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by allstate1

Of course I can't say who exactly who was saved or lost. But in regards to my thinking when I asked the question I was on the wrong track. The High Priest sacrifice for sins was actually for sins that would be committed in the following year and not sins of the past year. I am working on equating this with the complete work of Calvary. If and when I can articulate it scripturaly I will post it here!

This is what I didn't understand.

They were actually sacrificing for the sins that WOULD BE COMMITTED IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR. I thought God forgave us for sins committed in the PAST, not allow a person to offer a sacrifice for FUTURE sins?

Sounds a whole like INDULGENCE.

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

This is what I didn't understand.

They were actually sacrificing for the sins that WOULD BE COMMITTED IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR. I thought God forgave us for sins committed in the PAST, not allow a person to offer a sacrifice for FUTURE sins?

Sounds a whole like INDULGENCE.

I'm not really sure myself. That's why I asked the question. In Leviticus I think chapter 4 the sacrifice wasn't done until the sin was revealed to the public. I'm just having trouble with it.

[Hesetmefree238]

In the mind and plan of God, Christ was the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev 13:8) The benefits of his blood and his sacrifice stretch forward into the day where we live, 2,000 years post-calvary. The benefits of that blood also went backwards into time to redeem the followers of Yahweh in the Old Testament. This same blood would also be the justification for those saved under the ministry of John the Baptist, but who died prior to Calvary. The blood will be the basis for everyone's redemption who make it into the glory world regardless of the time in which they lived. There's no redemption/salvation outside the blood of Christ.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Hesetmefree238

In the mind and plan of God, Christ was the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev 13:8) The benefits of his blood and his sacrifice stretch forward into the day where we live, 2,000 years post-calvary. The benefits of that blood also went backwards into time to redeem the followers of Yahweh in the Old Testament. This same blood would also be the justification for those saved under the ministry of John the Baptist, but who died prior to Calvary. The blood will be the basis for everyone's redemption who make it into the glory world regardless of the time in which they lived. There's no redemption/salvation outside the blood of Christ.

Very good.



Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by Hesetmefree238

In the mind and plan of God, Christ was the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev 13:8) The benefits of his blood and his sacrifice stretch forward into the day where we live, 2,000 years post-calvary. The benefits of that blood also went backwards into time to redeem the followers of Yahweh in the Old Testament. This same blood would also be the justification for those saved under the ministry of John the Baptist, but who died prior to Calvary. The blood will be the basis for everyone's redemption who make it into the glory world regardless of the time in which they lived. There's no redemption/salvation outside the blood of Christ.

Sounds good. But what scriptures are you using to come to this conclusion?

[mfblume]

Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Revelation 13:8 ...the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.