Newbie question!

[n david]

Many scholars agree with this translation. Adam Clark, commenting on Deuteronomy, states,

“As the word...geber is here used, which properly signifies a strong man or man of war, it is very probable that armour is here intended; especially as we know that in the worship of Venus, to which that of Astarte or Ashtaroth among the Canaanites bore a striking resemblance, the women were accustomed to appear in armour before her.”4

John Gill in his Exposition of the Entire Bible sees a similar meaning in 22:5:

“...and the word [keliy] also signifies armour, as Onkelos renders it; and so here forbids women putting on a military habit and going with men to war, as was usual with the eastern women; and so Maimonides illustrates it, by putting a mitre or an helmet on her head, and clothing herself with a coat of mail; and in like manner Josephus explains it, 'take heed, especially in war, that a woman do not make use of the habit of a man, or a man that of a woman...'” (sic) 5

Rabbi Jon-Jay Tilsen of The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism writes in an excerpt from an article entitled “Cross Dressing and Deuteronomy 22:5,”

“In another attempt to identify the quintessential 'men's items,' Rabbi Eliezer ben Jacob, quoted in the Talmud (edited about 800 C.E.), says, ‘What is the proof that a woman may not go forth with weapons to war?’ He then cites our verse [Deuteronomy 22:5], which he reads this way: ‘A warrior's gear may not be put on a woman’ (B. Naz. 59a). He reads kli gever [geber] as the homograph kli gibbor, meaning a ‘warrior's gear’.”

Rabbi Tilsen further states,

“This same understanding is followed by Midrash Mishlei (Proverbs) which contends that the Biblical character Yael in the Book of Judges kills General Sisera with a tent pin instead of a sword in order to comply with this law. It would have been 'unlady-like' for her to use a sword -- worse, a violation of the law -- because a sword is a man's tool...”

[Rudy]

Where I live there are Burmese immigrants. You will see men wearing wrapped skirts down to their ankles. What do we do or say about them?

Prevailing culture has some influence on this issue. It is no longer taboo for women wearing pants here in the U.S. Men that promote no pants for women go shop in the ladies section for pants. If there is no distinction between pants made for women then shop in the ladies section.

Can a man wear pants made for women? LOL Oh my!!

[ApostolicKitty]

You know... I just hope this young sister doesn't come back and get confused from all you boys' going back and forth... *sigh*

She needs clarity. That's why I only encouraged her to seek the Lord.

[n david]

Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

You know... I just hope this young sister doesn't come back and get confused from all you boys' going back and forth... *sigh*

This is why you don't ask a forum a question like this.

Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

She needs clarity. That's why I only encouraged her to seek the Lord.

Good advice, and I agree people should seek the Lord instead of asking strangers on an internet forum.

[good samaritan]

This is why you don't ask a forum a question like this.

Exactly, After a threads starts it gets taken in many different directions. Many times the original question becomes far removed. All these different views is probably why she asked in the first place to see every side imo.

[good samaritan]

Good advice, and I agree people should seek the Lord instead of asking strangers on an internet forum.

If she has been in church over a year I would hope she has already been seeking the Lord. I would assume she is searching for truth in her walk with God which I don't believe is revealed without a search. Sometimes people make it sound like if they get the Holy Ghost all the right answers suddenly appear in their minds. The Spirit draws us to pray and study and possibly even to post a question on a forum.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

You know... I just hope this young sister doesn't come back and get confused from all you boys' going back and forth... *sigh*

She needs clarity. That's why I only encouraged her to seek the Lord.

BOYS -- How old are you??? LOL

[wire2john]

Just a thought - it would be impossible for a woman to give birth while wearing a pair of trousers.

[n david]

Originally Posted by wire2john

Just a thought - it would be impossible for a woman to give birth while wearing a pair of trousers.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by n david

"Geber
Word Origin
from gabar
Definition
man
NASB Translation
boy (1), everyone (1), man (54), man's (3), men (8), warrior (1)."

"Geber
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
every one, man, mighty
From gabar; properly, a valiant man or warrior; generally, a person simply -- every one, man, X mighty. "

"Gibbor
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
champion, chief, excel, giant, man, mighty man, one, strong man,
Or (shortened) gibbor {ghib-bore'}; intensive from the same as geber; powerful; by implication, warrior, tyrant -- champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.
see HEBREW geber"

"It is important to note that this is not the only word for man in Hebrew. Verse 13 of this very same chapter uses the Hebrew word 'iysh, which is also translated man and means just that – “man, male (in contrast to woman, female).” It is apparent that Moses, when writing Deut 22:5, was quite intentionally not talking about a man in general, but a very specific kind of man – namely, a warrior or soldier.

Considering this, perhaps a better translation of this verse would be as follows: “The woman shall not put on [the weapons/armor of a warrior], neither shall a [warrior] put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.”


Also, "that which pertaineth to a man"

Strong's Concordance
keli: an article, utensil, vessel
Original Word: כְּלִי
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: keli
Phonetic Spelling: (kel-ee')


Short Definition: utensils

I notice that your citation proves the word geber does not SPECIFICALLY and ONLY mean "warrior". In fact all you did there was a)verify what I had quoted from the article, that geber is not limited to " warrior", and b)take one OF MANY translations of geber and do a non sequitur claiming it ONLY means warrior.

And again, if Deut 22:5 does NOT prohibit cross dressing, then NOTHING does except personal opinion.