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07-23-2015, 11:37 AM
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Re: Is supprt for israel really required (V)
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Israelites are not a race, and anyone can become an American in the same manner.
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Yes, but would never pass the test required by Ezra in Ezra 2:59-62.
Hence they are not the people of the Book as the Quran, Islam and Dispensationalists claim.
I showed that to some Muslims which I was Bible studying and one got some understanding, while the other four had a melt down, you would of thought I mixed pig guts in their cheerios.
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07-23-2015, 11:43 AM
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Re: Is supprt for israel really required (V)
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"And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast
thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed."
The descendants ONLY according to the flesh (natural realm) received the name change;
The descendants according to the promise (spiritual realm) are receiving the BLESSING!
"And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore
is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he BLESSED HIM THERE."
For those who have not yet understood, this correlates with the scripture found in Romans:
"For whosoever calls upon the NAME of the Lord SHALL BE saved."
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Israelites and "Israel" as used in the NT are not exactly the same thing. Not all Israelites are counted as being part of Israel. This was true in the OT, as well, by the way.
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07-23-2015, 11:53 AM
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Re: Is supprt for israel really required (V)
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Israelites and "Israel" as used in the NT are not exactly the same thing. Not all Israelites are counted as being part of Israel. This was true in the OT, as well, by the way.
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Hence a remnant the ἐκκλησία are those who are a called out congregation. If anyone could see that they wouldn't be pining after modern day physical Israel. It is about grace not race, and therefore once someone realizes that modern day Israel is a country just like Monaco, with no Biblical affiliation whatsoever, they begin to place the ancient Israel in her proper setting, and modern Israel in her proper setting. Modern day Israel needs to be evangelized with the Apostolic truth, and not ignored because some doctrine teaches that they are unconditionally saved.
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07-23-2015, 01:56 PM
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Re: Is supprt for israel really required (V)
If someone wants to support Israel let them do it with the money out of their own pocket.
I don't think we should send money to ANY nation.
Same thing with any other cause. You want to save the world? Use your own money.
Don't force all US citizens to fund your personal projects!
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07-23-2015, 02:02 PM
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Re: Is supprt for israel really required (V)
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If someone wants to support Israel let them do it with the money out of their own pocket.
I don't think we should send money to ANY nation.
Same thing with any other cause. You want to save the world? Use your own money.
Don't force all US citizens to fund your personal projects!
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You must have read that anti-free trade isolationist George Washington's Farewell Address. Such views are no longer politically correct, and will eventually be declared a mental illness, like anti-soviet thinking disorder was...
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07-23-2015, 05:18 PM
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Re: Is supprt for israel really required (V)
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Originally Posted by Disciple4life
If someone wants to support Israel let them do it with the money out of their own pocket.
I don't think we should send money to ANY nation.
Same thing with any other cause. You want to save the world? Use your own money.
Don't force all US citizens to fund your personal projects!
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Could you please explain why we shouldn't aid another country's growth as a partner and ally? Not saying I'm agreeing that we should support other countries with monies from taxpayers, just want to know your reasons not to do so. Please examine the chart carefully then give your answer. 
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07-23-2015, 07:16 PM
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Israelites, strictly speaking, are the biological descendants of Jacob.
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Exodus 12:48 says anyone who joined law keeping is as one born in the land.
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07-23-2015, 07:41 PM
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Re: Is supprt for israel really required (V)
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I admire Israel for simply being the more normal nation in the region. But are Christians and Gentile nations required to support Israel?
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Yes.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-23-2015, 08:04 PM
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Re: Is supprt for israel really required (V)
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Originally Posted by CC1
Yes.
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Why?
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07-23-2015, 08:27 PM
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Re: Is supprt for israel really required (V)
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Exodus 12:48 says anyone who joined law keeping is as one born in the land.
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That does not change anybody's DNA. It just means they are naturalized citizens.
EDIT: Correction, it just means they may eat the Passover, as any circumcised Israelite could.
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