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02-09-2016, 09:55 PM
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Re: Any UPC Ultra Cons Still Around
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My brother is UPCI affiliated, and pastors in Illinois. I would consider him moderately conservative.  |
Thanks for returning to the original thread. Kind of threw me off.
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02-10-2016, 08:10 AM
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Re: Any UPC Ultra Cons Still Around
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My brother is UPCI affiliated, and pastors in Illinois. I would consider him moderately conservative. |
Here is a test;
1. Does he wear or allow people to wear short sleeves?
2. Does he preach against video of all sorts including home videos?
3. Does he not believe in video screens in the church for song lyrics and or image magnification?
4. Does he prohibit his young people from UPC events because he fears they will be corrupted by those with a lesser standard?
If he doesn't pass that test then he is just a moderate! (within the Oneness Pentecostal world anyway. For everybody else he would be very conservative anyway)
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
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"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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02-10-2016, 09:15 AM
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Re: Any UPC Ultra Cons Still Around
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Here is a test;
1. Does he wear or allow people to wear short sleeves?
2. Does he preach against video of all sorts including home videos?
3. Does he not believe in video screens in the church for song lyrics and or image magnification?
4. Does he prohibit his young people from UPC events because he fears they will be corrupted by those with a lesser standard?
If he doesn't pass that test then he is just a moderate! (within the Oneness Pentecostal world anyway. For everybody else he would be very conservative anyway)
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CC - most WPF churches "allow" 1, 2, & 3 now. As for #4, most I can say that for a time we stopped going to UPC youth events, due to some issues. And if you look at who the national leaders of the youth were at that time and where they are now, the uneasiness that we felt was God driven.
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02-10-2016, 09:17 AM
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Re: Any UPC Ultra Cons Still Around
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I don't read where votivesoul is saying the above but making the case for keeping scripture in context. Do the men and women sit on different sides of your church?
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Did Paul say to make men and women sit on different sides of the church?
Also, please point out how I took the scriptures I posted out of context.
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02-10-2016, 09:53 AM
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Re: Any UPC Ultra Cons Still Around
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CC - most WPF churches "allow" 1, 2, & 3 now. As for #4, most I can say that for a time we stopped going to UPC youth events, due to some issues. And if you look at who the national leaders of the youth were at that time and where they are now, the uneasiness that we felt was God driven.
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Which is hilarious because they used the TV vote as their reason to hit the eject button.
Then they turned around and started live streaming some services.
NW is not ultra conservative by any means. Floyd Odom was and is but not the present chairman. How they ever put him in is beyond me. Conservative not, political yes.
Then you go to youtube and pull up their special services, how can they take a zero stand against TV when they have live streaming and video?
Confusing.
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02-10-2016, 09:58 AM
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Re: Any UPC Ultra Cons Still Around
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Did Paul say to make men and women sit on different sides of the church?
Also, please point out how I took the scriptures I posted out of context.
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Scholars claim the women and men sat apart from each other for centuries under the Law and continued into the early church, giving rise for women to keep silence because they were talking across the fellowship asking their husbands what the preacher meant, and interrupting.
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02-10-2016, 10:10 AM
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Re: Any UPC Ultra Cons Still Around
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Did Paul say to make men and women sit on different sides of the church?
Also, please point out how I took the scriptures I posted out of context.
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Not out of context with Paul's message but the application of taking Paul's admonition for that purpose and applying it to 20/21 century westernized authority. Of course I don't acknowledge the sole authority of an individual over a church the way it is practiced. Oneness churches don't operate within biblical church government. Elders and deacons are non existent in true form.
Pastors are a mirror of the celebrity world that the very same despise. You can't tell me different cause I been there and seen it for myself.
I go to bro.....so an so's church. Going to BOTT...next question....who's preaching? Oh man that ought to be good. And on and on. The typical conference is mere entertainment. Very wholesome however but again, a replacement for the world of entertainment that is rejected and despised.
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02-10-2016, 11:32 AM
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Re: Any UPC Ultra Cons Still Around
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CC - most WPF churches "allow" 1, 2, & 3 now. As for #4, most I can say that for a time we stopped going to UPC youth events, due to some issues. And if you look at who the national leaders of the youth were at that time and where they are now, the uneasiness that we felt was God driven.
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Much to my disappointment. I think the WPF as a fellowship is not as strong today as it originally set out to be. Still good men nonetheless.
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02-10-2016, 11:35 AM
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Re: Any UPC Ultra Cons Still Around
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Which is hilarious because they used the TV vote as their reason to hit the eject button.
Then they turned around and started live streaming some services.
NW is not ultra conservative by any means. Floyd Odom was and is but not the present chairman. How they ever put him in is beyond me. Conservative not, political yes.
Then you go to youtube and pull up their special services, how can they take a zero stand against TV when they have live streaming and video?
Confusing.
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They do take a stand against television and Hollywood type entertainment.. and to be commended for that at least. The current chairman is more conservative the majority of the UPCI, IMO.
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02-10-2016, 12:42 PM
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Re: Any UPC Ultra Cons Still Around
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Scholars claim the women and men sat apart from each other for centuries under the Law and continued into the early church, giving rise for women to keep silence because they were talking across the fellowship asking their husbands what the preacher meant, and interrupting.
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No kidding.
Don't take my words out of context.
Lol
I was specifically quoting Paul's words of reprimand in response to a post that chided a preacher for enforcing standards.
Then here comes the smokescreen of "well here was the tradition in Paul's day" and "well Paul was unique and you cannot follow him for a ministerial example"...
Or at least that is what I got out of it.
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