You people slamming the UPC for moving their HQ out of a dangerous neighborhood are being ridiculous. I fully agree that we should have ministry to those neighborhoods and the homeless, etc but to expect the entire HQ staff to risk their life every day to go to work is nuts.
Exactly and no I dont eevr give the bums anything, in our city they go to the bars at night and brag that they scored 700 that day, or get into fist fights on the off ramps over territory, then they have the shift change at many places ,car pull up new bum gets out and old one gets in. Offer them a job and see where that gets you
Exactly and no I dont eevr give the bums anything, in our city they go to the bars at night and brag that they scored 700 that day, or get into fist fights on the off ramps over territory, then they have the shift change at many places ,car pull up new bum gets out and old one gets in. Offer them a job and see where that gets you
Yup. A lot of people don't realize that the worst thing you can do for 99.9% of homeless people is to give them cash. If you do you are simply guilty of enabling them to indulge in whatever is their addiction of choice that is destroying their life.
Our church has a homeless ministry that feeds several hundred homeless people breakfast every Saturday and Sunday morning (a hot breakfast of eggs, bacon, etc) and then we donate time and money to several homeless shelters / ministry's in town as well.
I am sure virtually every town in America is like mine where a homeless person will not starve to death if they avail themselves of the church and NGO help available on any given day.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
Exactly and no I dont eevr give the bums anything, in our city they go to the bars at night and brag that they scored 700 that day, or get into fist fights on the off ramps over territory, then they have the shift change at many places ,car pull up new bum gets out and old one gets in. Offer them a job and see where that gets you
What does that have to do with anything?
I can tell you the story, but you obviously want to attempt to put me on the defensive by blaming me, for a panhandlers actions.
Really?
Ridiculous.
First you posted this-
Have you ever had an aggessive panhandler get in your face?
Or better yet, get in your wife and kids faces, because they didn't see a man there.
Tell me, how many panhandlers a day do you give money to?
I answered two of your questions. I thought they were ridiculous. The other question I answered with a question kind of. I don't let my wife go to areas that she would be harassed or harmed (I know that is subjective but for the most part we live in a pretty safe comfortable area). You don't want to answer my question, fine. That is what is the problem with people. They ask questions and expect an answer but refuse to answer any questions for you.
You obviously want to attempt to put me on the defensive by blaming me for a panhandlers actions. I had nothing to do with what a panhandler did to you.
__________________ In the Old Days, if you wanted to argue about religion you had to go to Church.
Nowadays you get on the internet!
I am not slamming the UPC or anybody else. I have been to the bookstore (UPC headquarters) at least two to three times a year for the last 15 years. I have relatives that live a couple miles from there. I don't know what your guys are talking about. I have never seen anybody but Oneness Pentecostals on the property. I don't go there every day but this is all news to me. If it truly is that bad I am happy that they are moving.
__________________ In the Old Days, if you wanted to argue about religion you had to go to Church.
Nowadays you get on the internet!
Have you ever had an aggessive panhandler get in your face?
Or better yet, get in your wife and kids faces, because they didn't see a man there.
Tell me, how many panhandlers a day do you give money to?
I answered two of your questions. I thought they were ridiculous. The other question I answered with a question kind of. I don't let my wife go to areas that she would be harassed or harmed (I know that is subjective but for the most part we live in a pretty safe comfortable area). You don't want to answer my question, fine. That is what is the problem with people. They ask questions and expect an answer but refuse to answer any questions for you.
You obviously want to attempt to put me on the defensive by blaming me for a panhandlers actions. I had nothing to do with what a panhandler did to you.
D4l - my apologies. I think I took your post the wrong way.
Now, as to "letting" my wife go to areas, if you live in a major, metro area, you cannot avoid those areas. I could answer your question with numerous examples, but why? Let's just say we see the issue from different perspectives and move on.
God Bless.
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If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under - Ronald Reagan
D4l - my apologies. I think I took your post the wrong way.
Now, as to "letting" my wife go to areas, if you live in a major, metro area, you cannot avoid those areas. I could answer your question with numerous examples, but why? Let's just say we see the issue from different perspectives and move on.
God Bless.
No sweat brother, I love you and God bless you.
People take me the wrong way ALL the time. I am sure it has nothing to do with me though.
Oh hey and 99% of everything I say is a sarcastic joke. So what I am trying to say is please don't take me too serious (or something like sorry).
__________________ In the Old Days, if you wanted to argue about religion you had to go to Church.
Nowadays you get on the internet!
I am not slamming the UPC or anybody else. I have been to the bookstore (UPC headquarters) at least two to three times a year for the last 15 years. I have relatives that live a couple miles from there. I don't know what your guys are talking about. I have never seen anybody but Oneness Pentecostals on the property. I don't go there every day but this is all news to me. If it truly is that bad I am happy that they are moving.
well you can throw a rock and hit Ferguson... just sayin'
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
I think it is funny in a kind of sad way that something as simple as the UPCI HQ relocating after over 40 years in the same location is something that would bring criticism.
If they negotiated a good deal on the property and have the means to pay for it more power to them. I am pleased they will have a decent facility to operate out of.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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