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Old 05-18-2017, 09:09 AM
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What?!?! I'm shocked! I cannot believe the biased media would ever view obama favorably, but view Trump unfavorably!
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Obama did ten times worse yet you him him a pass like he was some kind of saint.
Ok.
Ten times worse.

Now let's quantify your ten times worse with facts.

I'll lower the bar for you.

What did President Obama DO that was just as bad or worse than Trump?
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IMO opinion it would have been a worse day if Hilary had been elected.
Why didn't you respond inline to keep the pattern?
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Ok.
Ten times worse.

Now let's quantify your ten times worse with facts.

I'll lower the bar for you.

What did President Obama DO that was just as bad or worse than Trump?
Actual scandals as opposed to made up stories about collusion between Trump and Russia?

Fast and Furious
IRS
Benghazi

Just three of the well known scandals which happened during obama's administration.
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Actual scandals as opposed to made up stories about collusion between Trump and Russia?

Fast and Furious
IRS
Benghazi

Just three of the well known scandals which happened during obama's administration.
Fast and Furious wasn't Obama's doing-- he continued a policy that started before him, conducted by a federal agency that falls under the President-- but tying him to the day-to-day operations of the agency is not realistic.


IRS was investigated. Obama was not involved.

Benghazi happened on Obama's watch-- but he didn't deny the spending requests. He didn't deny the requests for increased security. Blame Obama by proxy? Ok, but it's not like Obama had much to do with the ENTIRE PICTURE OF FAILURE associated with Benghazi. You know this!

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Actually, it is THIS FACT that made Benghazi very difficult to pin on President Obama.

If Republicans had attempted to point one finger at Obama, they would have had 4 pointing back at them-- so they never tried very hard to make Obama's re-election about Benghazi.

And sadly, the slain Ambassador himself actually turned down an attempt from the State Department to give the outpost more funding for security less than one year (maybe even less then 4 months) before the attack.

He wanted American military forces whose loyalties could be trusted-- and that wasn't something he thought money could buy in the politically deteriorating situation of Benghazi.
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Actual scandals as opposed to made up stories about collusion between Trump and Russia?

Fast and Furious
IRS
Benghazi

Just three of the well known scandals which happened during obama's administration.
Of these three, the IRS scandal is the most egregious to me.
We will never know all of the facts, however, based upon what I know, there was an effort made by an internal government agency to influence an election.
This is traitorous activity and should have been treated as such.
However, the BHO admin was the most adept admin in modern times at cover-ups and succeeded in keeping the truth from coming out.
All my opinion, but based on extensive reading on the subject.
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Actual scandals as opposed to made up stories about collusion between Trump and Russia?

Fast and Furious
IRS
Benghazi

Just three of the well known scandals which happened during obama's administration.
As far as "made up" stories, who did Obama have to fire from his Cabinet to avoid the appearance of international impropriety?
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Note - I have seen no evidence that the BHO admin prompted the IRS actions, but they were involved in the cover-up, thus making them complicit.
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Of these three, the IRS scandal is the most egregious to me.
We will never know all of the facts, however, based upon what I know, there was an effort made by an internal government agency to influence an election.
This is traitorous activity and should have been treated as such.

However, the BHO admin was the most adept admin in modern times at cover-ups and succeeded in keeping the truth from coming out.
All my opinion, but based on extensive reading on the subject.
So is the chaos surrounding Trump right now is misplaced?
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Note - I have seen no evidence that the BHO admin prompted the IRS actions, but they were involved in the cover-up, thus making them complicit.
Note - I would like to know your definition of the BHO admin.

I am thinking Cabinet members and direct appointees of BHO.


I am NOT thinking of career, government employees.
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