The Last Reformation Hospital Miracle

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by n david

Sorry I wasn't more clear with this part: "He visits "healing rooms" (associated with John Lake) and has told me of his friends who have healed people by blowing in their ear or even spitting on people."

My friend visits healing rooms. He also has told me of his friends who have healed people by blowing in their ear or even spitting on people. I don't know that the two are connected.


Agreed.


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yep..thats Peter in Sweden. Torben baptises differently

[jediwill83]

Wrote a massive post then deleted it.

Question: Do you believe that demonic behaviour can be on display at a church and people be ignorant to it because they have been conditioned to accepting that behavior as a work of the Spirit?

Keep in mind that the church I was raised at...people would go nuts shouting and knocking over pews violently..it was a regular thing

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by n david View Post
Sorry I wasn't more clear with this part: "He visits "healing rooms" (associated with John Lake) and has told me of his friends who have healed people by blowing in their ear or even spitting on people."

My friend visits healing rooms. He also has told me of his friends who have healed people by blowing in their ear or even spitting on people. I don't know that the two are connected.

Well the question is then....where the people healed? If they got healed they were probably praising YAH!

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Well the question is then....where the people healed? If they got healed they were probably praising YAH!

OR OR I could combine spitting with blowing in the ear and give em wet willies! BE HEALED! *SQUISH*

[Esaias]

Jesus did some "strange things" as part of ministering healing to people. Just saying.

As for demon possessed people in the church, I'd say such persons usually appear quite demoniac (acting like Hulk and threatening everyone??) or else they are appear quite refined, with suit and tie, and usually are up on the platform, teaching lies and false doctrine.

Again, just saying.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Well, Paul did write about "no one speaking by the Spirit calls Jesus accursed", so there may have been some activity whereby some were claiming to prophesy in which they were cursing Jesus in some manner or form, and claiming it was by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Maybe some false brethren had infiltrated Corinth, since the church there began as a synagogue?

All speculation, of course...

I think it was likely certain Jews trying to teach that Jesus was not the Messiah but was "cursed of God" (just as Judaism teaches today), and Paul had to reaffirm hat the Spirit of God does NOT inspire someone to call Jesus accursed (in the sense that He is rejected by God).

Either that or there was, even at that early date, a teaching going around similar to the Kenneth Copeland/Word of Faith heresy that Jesus went to hell and literally became sin itself, but I'm not so sure that would be the case.

But in either case, Paul never mentioned the need for exorcisms in a meeting of the ekklesia due to people "getting out of hand". Every case of exorcism in Scripture involves people who are clearly not Christians.

If you are filled with the Holy Ghost you aren't going to be "manifesting demons". That is simply NOT Bible.

Of course, I suspect not all who claim to be spirit filled are filled with the Holy Spirit.

[Michael The Disciple]

What is a move of God?

We might be quick to discount something outside our own circles as a move of God. To me it depends on where one starts. If one was born a Catholic for instance and accepts Christ among the Baptists, that was a move of God. The person moved closer to God. They now believe a person can be saved by faith, not just by obedience to the Catholic Faith. See how simple? God was moving in the persons life guiding them closer to truth and or himself.

Example. The Jesus movement of which I was a part. It started as some hippies and some Church people began to desire to know God or more of him. It lasted about 10 years. Many of its adherents came to Jesus through this movement.

We majored in lifting up Jesus. Many received the Holy Ghost. What set us apart as a movement of its own was things like street witnessing. Going to the lost where they were. Fellowship with each other rather through Church in the homes. New forms of music.

For those in it God was really moving! To someone who had more truth than we had it may not have seemed to be of God. But people were brought from many various sins to believe in and turn to Jesus and live for him.

But if we dont keep moving.....God will eventually move on and leave us behind.

I think of one of the mightiest groups of the time. They were actually baptizing in Jesus name and leading people to the Holy Spirit baptism. Great things were happening.

Then they decided to forgo water baptism. It was to cumbersome for them. Well when they quit MOVING with God it was not long before terrible sin entered in from the leader and filtered through the group and in short order they were teaching as Jezebel that fornication is ok.

While most of the groups never fell that far nonetheless most of them became satisfied with what they had and quit moving...going forward. So after a few years of the glory of God most joined up with Evangelical Churches and as a distinct movement it ceased to exist.

The problem? They stopped short of where God was leading them. The "movement" stopped.

Since IHOP was mentioned in this thread I will comment on them. The Pastor of IHOP had come to Jesus in the Jesus movement. His zeal was for night and day prayer. A few people joined with him and International House Of Prayer was born.

Early on they seemed really hard hitting, visiting themes like the coming judgment of the nations and post tribulation rapture. That together with some of the most glorious music I ever heard created a love for them in my heart.

Now dont get me wrong I have never been to IHOP or any of its branches but I have seen enough over the years to see if people are being "moved" by God. For a while they at least flirted with the doctrine of Sinless perfection, something very close to the heart of God.

But a few years ago God tried to get them to move on concerning being born again. The message came forth among them of Acts 2:38. Several of the ministers there seemed to embrace it and it was really looking good!

Then Pastor Bickle came out against it and shut down the message Jesus was so happy to bring them. Well it was not long afterward I noticed a definite downturn in the vision. They strongly asserted they were an "Evangelical" Church, meaning we dont accept the Acts 2:38 message.

Then it seemed many times as we watched the live stream it was emphasized the stale old doctrine that there is NOTHING we can do to make God love us more, and that he does not love us less if we fall into sin. I cant say they were teaching OSAS but it certainly comes across that way.

As I began to have less interest in them as a group I noticed they were moving instead of closer to God they were moving closer to the Catholic Church.

So point is this. Thousands of young people came from sin or out of dead Churchs and received the Spirit and the joy of the Lord. It was for them a great move! They were growing and going forward with God.

But when God brings more truth for a group if it is rejected he draws back They stop moving with him. They cease to be A MOVE OF GOD.

Of course this does not mean God takes his Spirit away from all of them. People can still be loving God and moving with him in their own lives but the "movement" dries up having lost the desire to continue following WHEREVER Jesus leads.

Part 1. To be continued.

[Michael The Disciple]

As to the New Reformation Movement being discussed here, I put a thread on this forum a few years ago about Torben. I said in the thread I was impressed with him. I have not followed his ministry but a few comments.

If this man started out in the Lutheran faith he has indeed experienced a great move of God. Its a long way to come from the dead, dry Evangelical faith to where he is now.

The most impressive thing IMO is that he has SEEMINGLY embraced the real new birth taught by Jesus. That is a great breakthrough if true. And it has been said on the thread he believes in Oneness! How I hope thats true. That truly is a long way to have come in a journey of faith so yes I consider his ministry a "move" of God from what I have heard.

And to be out on the streets praying for people to get the Holy Ghost and for healing really puts LIFE into it! We prayed for the sick on the streets in the Jesus Movement also.

So unless I hear otherwise I will say yes his ministry is a move of God.

What about the "Apostolic Movement" otherwise known as the Apostolic Churches, UPC,.....

This movement started in 1914 from the Assemblies Of God group. They were men who had received the Holy Ghost and were seeking truth from God. Shortly after the AOG were established as a Trinitarian Church the truth of baptism in Jesus name came out among them.

Soon came the revelation of the Oneness of God and new birth of Acts 2:38. Now I am only 64 and was not there among this move until 1978 so I will just comment as to what I think I know.

Surely Jesus "moved" with these people and they moved with him! It was I think the most significant of any revival in history. The mask was ripped of the face of the Trinity! People were pointed to a Jesus the Apostles had walked with and known.....the Eternal Father and the begotten Son!

Well this teaching has went around the world as the decades went by and millions have now come into the body of Jesus as taught by the Apostles.

Now I count myself as an "Apostolic" Christian. I learned these truths from a UPCI tract writer so I am in their debt for that.

But is there currently a movement of God in Apostolic Churches? I have seen very little since I have been in it. Yes they teach these 2 great truths. Oneness and the new birth. Yet in other areas of foundation doctrine they as a whole have not been going anywhere for decades.

They teach the same as Evangelical Churches on the other foundation doctrines. For some reason they have ceased being a "movement" with Jesus. Instead of going on to more foundation truth (rejecting it) they have made their own doctrines.

For example instead of accepting the headcovering truth as taught by Paul they refuse the veil but condemn a woman to Hell if she even trims her hair! They teach such nonsense that if a man wears a beard he is rebellious, proud, and sinning! Most (not all) still walk hand in hand with Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny!

Fellowship in the home is frowned upon while pew sitting and amening Preachers is highly encouraged as you get a pat on the back and praise the Lord brother as you walk out the door for "fellowship".

And if you forgot to pay your tithes quickly go back and do it because as we were taught in my first Apostolic Church, If you rob God of ONE PENNY you will go to Hell!

So in my opinion the rejection of foundation truths such as post trib rapture, the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment has left a void among them that they fill with the doctrines and traditions of men.

Conclusion: Im still waiting to see a "move" a GOING FORWARD to more truth and therefore more Spirit among the "Apostolic" movement.

[peter83]

I saw two times in my life people speaking tongues and be demon demonized!
The one was speaking in tongues with an agresive manner and some days after he was "filed" he starts make crazy things like cutting off his eyebrows etc.
The second person i saw in Mary worship video while he was praise an idol he starts speak in tongues with a scary voice.

And if you want to take it further ,yes i believe when people are entered in the spiritual sphere and are ignorant or other things too can be demon processed.
I dont want to say "this is from deomons" but i can say that this is NOT of God:

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I think it was likely certain Jews trying to teach that Jesus was not the Messiah but was "cursed of God" (just as Judaism teaches today), and Paul had to reaffirm hat the Spirit of God does NOT inspire someone to call Jesus accursed (in the sense that He is rejected by God).

Either that or there was, even at that early date, a teaching going around similar to the Kenneth Copeland/Word of Faith heresy that Jesus went to hell and literally became sin itself, but I'm not so sure that would be the case.

But in either case, Paul never mentioned the need for exorcisms in a meeting of the ekklesia due to people "getting out of hand". Every case of exorcism in Scripture involves people who are clearly not Christians.

If you are filled with the Holy Ghost you aren't going to be "manifesting demons". That is simply NOT Bible.

Of course, I suspect not all who claim to be spirit filled are filled with the Holy Spirit.

The closest anyone might point to is 1 John 5:18,

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not, but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

If a believer has "let himself go" (as opposed to keeping himself), it may be construed that the wicked one begins to be able to touch him, as it were. And should that take place, in an assembly of saints, something more than simply "out of hand" might take place.

Again, conjecture only.