Post trib doctrine = Christ terrorizes His bride - Page 4

n david · #31 11-26-2017, 05:06 PM

One person posts multiple posrs, which isn't against any forum rule, as a means to explain his beliefs.

Another poster uses Alinsky tactics, berates, mocks, and name calls anyone who disagrees with his opinion. Also has posted the same posts over and over again, literally spamming the thread.

So why focus on just the one?

houston · #32 11-26-2017, 05:23 PM

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Why shoot a man down and try to get him banned

Maybe because his pattern is consistent. Though, I think THAT thread went too far.

Sean · #33 11-26-2017, 05:30 PM

Yeah, a consistent pre tribber.

I guess folks are used to everyone cowling down to their ideas, and when they meet their match, they are flabbergasted by such a person.

You guys need to get off your high horse, study harder and learn how to debate a pre tribber, instead of throw mud and complain.

Esaias · #34 11-26-2017, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

One person posts multiple posrs, which isn't against any forum rule, as a means to explain his beliefs.

Another poster uses Alinsky tactics, berates, mocks, and name calls anyone who disagrees with his opinion. Also has posted the same posts over and over again, literally spamming the thread.

So why focus on just the one?

n david · #35 11-26-2017, 11:39 PM

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Esaias · #36 11-27-2017, 12:07 AM

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Costeon · #37 11-27-2017, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Post tribbers are teaching that the Church MUST go through the Great Tribulation.

This time of trouble is told to us as.....

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Even more devastating the the flood of Noah(loss of life and human suffering).

The post tribber has presented us with a kind of a Rambo mentality, that only the mentally strong need to "tough it out", when they themselves will go limp as wet noodles when this occurs...

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Somehow, they think the church will be living under little individual force fields, supplied by God with food and water, housing etc., while their neighborhoods are leveled by Almighty God and the devastation made by God lasts for years.

This has evolved into a "prepper" mentality, and God will be the leader of the prepper saints.

Fact is, if the church faces the Great Tribulation, they face this...

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

This is wholesale slaughter of the saints during the tribulation, which makes Auschwitz or Treblinka seem like a resort.

Another passage for the Rambo-ists that are telling the Spirit filled saints that God will lead them and their families into this devastation...

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Yes, these post trib teachers teach a doctrine of death to the saints, in which antichrist slaughters us.

This doctrine is a doctrine of death and despair for a few die-hard saints to live with, and was told by our savior to pray contrary to these post-tribbers...

Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

You see, we can actually escape all of these events by praying to be found worthy, which our escape is.....

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

The message of comfort to the Spirit filled saints of God is not meeting the antichrist, but meeting our Lord Jesus Christ.

The following from Matt 24 doesn't sound too pleasant:

9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

How were the Israelites protected in Egypt when that country was destroyed by the judgment of God?

Sean · #38 11-27-2017, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Costeon

The following from Matt 24 doesn't sound too pleasant:

9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

How were the Israelites protected in Egypt when that country was destroyed by the judgment of God?

The Jews lived in a "safe zone"....

22 And I will sever in that day the land of Goshen, in which my people dwell, that no swarms of flies shall be there; to the end thou mayest know that I am the Lord in the midst of the earth.

23 And I will put a division between my people and thy people: to morrow shall this sign be.

There is no "safe zone" depicted for the saints during the Great Tribulation. The Antichrist, unlike Pharaoh, will be given power to make war with the saints of the Great Tribulation and overcome them.

Originalist · #39 11-27-2017, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Costeon

The following from Matt 24 doesn't sound too pleasant:

9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

How were the Israelites protected in Egypt when that country was destroyed by the judgment of God?

And how is Israel "hated for his name's sake"? Obviously referring to the true elect, the church.

Aquila · #40 11-27-2017, 07:50 AM

The church has always suffered persecution by the spirit of antichrist. So, the final persecution is truly not significant in any way other that it being the final persecution, and perhaps global.

However, the wrath of God poured out during the Tribulation is an issue for Post-Tribulation rapture believers. This is why I would advise that they at least consider the Pre-Wrath Rapture position over the Post Tribulation Rapture position.

I've included a chart explaining this interpretation as an attachment to this post.