Jews are not "the elect"

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Technically, it can be argued that no one has been able to follow the Old Covenant since the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD.

The ONLY covenant one might enter into today is the New Covenant. There is no salvation outside of Christ.

In Futurism, the only consistent view is that the salvation of the Jewish people is the result of their conversion as they watch the prophecies of Christian Scripture unfold.

Technically, no one was able to follow the old covenant since Babylon, as the Ark was lost at that time.

When Pompey entered the most holy place in 70 BC, he found the place was empty.

That is why the Spirit split the veil was to show the hypocrisy of the Jews. They had the trapping and the ceremony but they were empty inside the place that mattered the most.

Thus, no ark means no mercy, no reconciliation, no ability to perform the most important part of the passover.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Technically, no one was able to follow the old covenant since Babylon, as the Ark was lost at that time.

When Pompey entered the most holy place in 70 BC, he found the place was empty.

That is why the Spirit split the veil was to show the hypocrisy of the Jews. They had the trapping and the ceremony but they were empty inside the place that mattered the most.

Thus, no ark means no mercy, no reconciliation, no ability to perform the most important part of the passover.

Holy cow!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Technically, no one was able to follow the old covenant since Babylon, as the Ark was lost at that time.

When Pompey entered the most holy place in 70 BC, he found the place was empty.

That is why the Spirit split the veil was to show the hypocrisy of the Jews. They had the trapping and the ceremony but they were empty inside the place that mattered the most.

Thus, no ark means no mercy, no reconciliation, no ability to perform the most important part of the passover.

Hmmm... excellent point!

[mfblume]

The veil split open to show the way into the holiest is through the door/veil/flesh of Jesus. And the holiest depicted the Garden of Eden with cherubims sewn into it as the garden entrance was barred by cherubims.

Hebrews 10:19-20 KJV Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, (20) By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

When the veil ripped, God showed the way into the holiest/Garden was possible again!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Technically, no one was able to follow the old covenant since Babylon, as the Ark was lost at that time.

When Pompey entered the most holy place in 70 BC, he found the place was empty.

That is why the Spirit split the veil was to show the hypocrisy of the Jews. They had the trapping and the ceremony but they were empty inside the place that mattered the most.

Thus, no ark means no mercy, no reconciliation, no ability to perform the most important part of the passover.

How do you KNOW it was empty when the Roman general Pompey entered?

How do you KNOW it had been empty for centuries prior to that?

Lots of assumptions here, imo.

[Sean]

Jews are not "the elect"

Originally Posted by Sean

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.



I apologize for not finishing this thread off with this passage from the start.

It was fun anyway.

I noticed the author of the thread has not answered this post yet.

.....back to the OP.

[Sean]

I wonder if preterists think God destroyed His elect in the passage.

[Originalist]

[Sean]

My post of Romans 11(above) proves the the OP wrong.

The challenge I made could not be accepted by the author.

I suggest admitting that national Israel is God's elect also, to the author.

[Esaias]

Jews aren't Israel to begin with.

Israel consisted of 12 tribes, Judah was only one of them. 1/12th of Israel, in other words. The term Judean later came to be applied to anyone following the state religion of Judea, regardless of ancestry. The term "Jew" is a medieval variation of Judean, or Judahite.

Jew and Israel never were synonymous, in the sense that the term Israel must mean "the Jews" or vice versa.

Not to mention the vast majority of Jews today are not even remotely descended from Judah or any other son of Jacob.