The Gates of Hell?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Look, nothing springs up out of the ether. Meaning that we may think we invented the wheel, but we soon find out others had it long before we did. The Bible is our history book, while we may want to pat ourselves on the back for being Apostolic Pentecostals thinking we were the only ones to baptize in Jesus name and be filled with the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues, others did it also. Why, because they had the same instruction manual. MeMaw's cheesy corn bake is handed down through the generations and taste the same because everyone followed her recipe. Yet, some added to it, while others subtracted from it, but there was always a small group who followed the recipe to the t and never wavered. Same thing with the Bible.
Hence we can trace our lineage right back to the Bible. I had to go back and forth with Sedevacantists and Eastern Orthodox over "where did your group come from?" that is how they debate, and that is where they start. To defend you must first show where you get your belief from, and ask them to show their belief right from the historical primary source. If they can't produce the information out of those pages, then they are not the people of the book. Period.

Good points.

I take it you believe there was someone somewhere embracing truth. I was under the impression that you didn't. I can't see truth being lost for early a thousand years. Especially since Acts 2 appears to be so clear. If your take on it is correct, someone, somewhere had to have seen it too.

Any theories, thoughts, or suspicions about specific groups?

[n david]

I can't take your posts seriously anymore, Aquila. You change what you believe in posts quicker than a Kardashian posting a selfie.

This thread is another example. In another thread you were outright mocking, claiming hell had prevailed because you don't believe there's evidence that the Gospel continued through the dark ages to today.

Now you've changed the narrative.

It's like talking to a schizophrenic with tourettes.

[Amanah]

When you read the OT, which took particular care to document genealogy you find people like Noah, who was righteous in his generation, while possibly millions died who disobeyed. So there was always a remnant of God's people.

Through the dark ages before the printing press was invented, and books were burned if they offended the Catholic Church, it is difficult to track groups that are not mainstream.

I have a book on a shelf in the library, called "After the way called heresy" that shows a continuation of those who believed this message.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

I can't take your posts seriously anymore, Aquila. You change what you believe in posts quicker than a Kardashian posting a selfie.

This thread is another example. In another thread you were outright mocking, claiming hell had prevailed because you don't believe there's evidence that the Gospel continued through the dark ages to today.

Now you've changed the narrative.

It's like talking to a schizophrenic with tourettes.

Yes, I mock the notion that it appears that you present, the "us four no more" kind of Heaven you'll have. With God having failed for the majority of history.

But, if you believe there was a church present, no matter how small or invisible, then we have something to work with and we can dig deeper.

But the failure God thing... I just can't embrace it, if that's what you truly think.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

When you read the OT, which took particular care to document genealogy you find people like Noah, who was righteous in his generation, while possibly millions died who disobeyed. So there was always a remnant of God's people.

Through the dark ages before the printing press was invented, and books were burned if they offended the Catholic Church, it is difficult to track groups that are not mainstream.

I have a book on a shelf in the library, called "After the way called heresy" that shows a continuation of those who believed this message.

Now, you see. That's far better than just saying, "Well, the Bible's true... and since no one believed like me, everybody is lost accept me." lol

I'd like to talk about those of like precious faith who came to truth down through the ages.

EB's theology detests the Dispensational Gaps... but his theology has a gap of nearly 2,000 years that is like, "Oh well, God failed." I can't wrap my brain around that kind of lunacy.... and I'm pretty looney. lol

[JoeBandy]

Get off of AFF and get to work!!!!

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yes, I mock the notion that it appears that you present, the "us four no more" kind of Heaven you'll have. With God having failed for the majority of history.

Hold up. YOU are the one claiming God failed, that hell prevailed(depending on which thread of yours is to be believed). You. Not me. Not Esaias. Not EB.

Originally Posted by Aquila

But, if you believe there was a church present, no matter how small or invisible, then we have something to work with and we can dig deeper.

The fact that there are millions of oneness, new birth believers all around the world should prove that this Gospel has been present (no matter how invisible) all throughout history.

Originally Posted by Aquila

But the failure God thing... I just can't embrace it, if that's what you truly think.

Again, the only one pushing "God failed, hell prevailed" is YOU.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

EB's theology detests the Dispensational Gaps... but his theology has a gap of nearly 2,000 years that is like, "Oh well, God failed." I can't wrap my brain around that kind of lunacy.... and I'm pretty looney. lol

That's not what he's saying.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

Hold up. YOU are the one claiming God failed, that hell prevailed(depending on which thread of yours is to be believed). You. Not me. Not Esaias. Not EB.


The fact that there are millions of oneness, new birth believers all around the world should prove that this Gospel has been present (no matter how invisible) all throughout history.


Again, the only one pushing "God failed, hell prevailed" is YOU.

When EB makes the statement that it doesn't matter if no evidence of truth is found throughout history, he makes the case for Gap-Salvation. Meaning, he feels it is perfectly fine if the truth only saved souls during the first century... and during the 20th century to present. That's why I pressed him. He even argued that we shouldn't worry about history because it isn't always objective. And while there is truth to that, the importance of even looking for "possibilities" could stand to help eliminate the impression of such a gap.

But if we can't find anyone through 2,000 years of history that believed like us... we have a Gap-Salvation theory.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

When EB makes the statement that it doesn't matter if no evidence of truth is found throughout history, he makes the case for Gap-Salvation. Meaning, he feels it is perfectly fine if the truth only saved souls during the first century... and during the 20th century to present. That's why I pressed him. He even argued that we shouldn't worry about history because it isn't always objective. And while there is truth to that, the importance of even looking for "possibilities" could stand to help eliminate the impression of such a gap.

But if we can't find anyone through 2,000 years of history that believed like us... we have a Gap-Salvation theory.

You should read this post again. Not sure how much clearer he could be. I don't read that and see anything about Gap-Salvation theory. Perhaps your reading is prejudiced because you're inserting things which he did not post.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...7&postcount=27

You even responded that he made good points! I'm telling ya, you switch positions quicker than a NASCAR pit stop.