Young Man At Church About To Be Homeless...

[Michael The Disciple]

Would it be easier to lodge strangers than an unmotivated Church member? Are saints expected to lodge strangers?

Matt 25:41-46

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Would it be easier to lodge strangers than an unmotivated Church member? Are saints expected to lodge strangers?

Matt 25:41-46

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Beyond all doubt!
Sometimes, ignorance is bliss.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Would it be easier to lodge strangers than an unmotivated Church member? Are saints expected to lodge strangers?

Matt 25:41-46

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

How much lodging strangers have you been doing? Bro, I don't live in a split level ranch but have put up a lot of people. When I was with Brother Frank Harris it was a huge amount. You are really playing with fire, and wisdom is paramount in these circumstances. Let me put it this way, it is on the same level as no eyeglasses and no dental care. I also have some stories of inviting people over where it didn't turn out so cool, and could of turned out disastrously. In these cases you could be spiritually smart or spiritually stupid. The latter could cost you all big time. So, while angels will hold you up that a foot not touch a stone, it is important that we also need not jump.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

How much lodging strangers have you been doing? Bro, I don't live in a split level ranch but have put up a lot of people. When I was with Brother Frank Harris it was a huge amount. You are really playing with fire, and wisdom is paramount in these circumstances. Let me put it this way, it is on the same level as no eyeglasses and no dental care. I also have some stories of inviting people over where it didn't turn out so cool, and could of turned out disastrously. In these cases you could be spiritually smart or spiritually stupid. The latter could cost you all big time. So, while angels will hold you up that a foot not touch a stone, it is important that we also need not jump.

You dont have a clue as to who I have took in or for how long. Or under what circumstances. I have ministered on the streets for 40 years. The doctrine of Jesus and the Apostles has its own checks and balances.

But my point is NOT to necessarily take in or even minister to every single need. But what is the need that is before you?

Now I dont know this young mans situation. I am just presenting Biblical principals. It looks to me if you have a man who is (seemingly) living for Christ, who has been faithful to the Fellowship, who is out of work, and loses his place it would be no great thing to shelter him temporarily.

How about starting with the Pastor? How many hours a week is the sacred temple being used? Is it to holy to allow a homeless believer in Jesus to stay there?

If not how about at his own house? He could be an EXAMPLE to people in the Church of helping the needy. How many households are in the Church? There is none to help?

For that matter how is it that a man is part of the Church and has NOT ONE FRIEND in the Church that could show him this kindness?

Now remember, I have said if this man is RIGHLY JUDGED to be a tare, or if he is sinning and will not repent, put him out.

If not dont claim the love of Jesus or his holiness when you turn him away from your door with only a prayer.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

You dont have a clue as to who I have took in or for how long. Or under what circumstances. I have ministered on the streets for 40 years. The doctrine of Jesus and the Apostles has its own checks and balances.

But my point is NOT to necessarily take in or even minister to every single need. But what is the need that is before you?

Now I dont know this young mans situation. I am just presenting Biblical principals. It looks to me if you have a man who is (seemingly) living for Christ, who has been faithful to the Fellowship, who is out of work, and loses his place it would be no great thing to shelter him temporarily.

How about starting with the Pastor? How many hours a week is the sacred temple being used? Is it to holy to allow a homeless believer in Jesus to stay there?

If not how about at his own house? He could be an EXAMPLE to people in the Church of helping the needy. How many households are in the Church? There is none to help?

For that matter how is it that a man is part of the Church and has NOT ONE FRIEND in the Church that could show him this kindness?

Now remember, I have said if this man is RIGHLY JUDGED to be a tare, or if he is sinning and will not repent, put him out.

If not dont claim the love of Jesus or his holiness when you turn him away from your door with only a prayer.

What you have posted here is fine and Biblically sound. I have no argument.

Yet, what we tend to do here on Apostolic Meat Grinder Forum is take a scenario and judge it as the pastor isn't doing anything (not saying you are saying that) or the church family are being unkind. BB, already gave us some extremely good clues. Now, keep in mind that I'm still dealing with the original topic, which is early 20s American male living in an apartment and is looking for a particular job that suits him. If he doesn't get that certain employment he won't go to work. his church family's spokesman is BB. BB while wanting to help the kid out, he calls the kid lazy.

BELLS AND WHISTLES should be going off.

Second spokesman for the Church family is none other than BB's wife. She doesn't think it is a cool idea to have this Rhodes scholar camped out in her garage. Another indicator to who this kid is, and what we are talking about.

Clues?

Yes, many, if BB's wife said no go Joe, and the pastor said amen, and amen. What more proof do we need? Help people? Why certainly, help those who sincerely need help. Our Welfare system is created from a Christain ethic, but it is broken.

First Church of Whatever, which is located in the City of Wherever. Has phones calls everyday with people who are calling to have their light bills payed, need diapers, need groceries, pay the rent, etc.

I have paid cell phone bills, I have bought more diapers than I ever put on my own children, groceries, baby formula, clothes, gasoline tankfuls, repaired flats, bought tires, repaired vehicles, did construction to homes, to driving someone hundreds of miles home, and paid for Greyhound bus rides home.

Yet, we have to remember that Jesus didn't help everyone, Jesus didn't heal everyone, Jesus wasn't preaching to everyone, but allow me to qualify this statement. Jesus only preaches to His sheep, because the others cannot hear Him. When preachers preach or teach they're only preaching and teaching to the remnant. The joker sleeping on the pew needs to get some good rest, because even if he was awake he can't hear what is being said.

Running to and fro is sometimes us when we waste God's precious time with people who are only using us and manipulating us to see what they can get.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What you have posted here is fine and Biblically sound. I have no argument.

Yet, what we tend to do here on Apostolic Meat Grinder Forum is take a scenario and judge it as the pastor isn't doing anything (not saying you are saying that) or the church family are being unkind. BB, already gave us some extremely good clues. Now, keep in mind that I'm still dealing with the original topic, which is early 20s American male living in an apartment and is looking for a particular job that suits him. If he doesn't get that certain employment he won't go to work. his church family's spokesman is BB. BB while wanting to help the kid out, he calls the kid lazy.

BELLS AND WHISTLES should be going off.

Second spokesman for the Church family is none other than BB's wife. She doesn't think it is a cool idea to have this Rhodes scholar camped out in her garage. Another indicator to who this kid is, and what we are talking about.

Clues?

Yes, many, if BB's wife said no go Joe, and the pastor said amen, and amen. What more proof do we need? Help people? Why certainly, help those who sincerely need help. Our Welfare system is created from a Christain ethic, but it is broken.

First Church of Whatever, which is located in the City of Wherever. Has phones calls everyday with people who are calling to have their light bills payed, need diapers, need groceries, pay the rent, etc.

I have paid cell phone bills, I have bought more diapers than I ever put on my own children, groceries, baby formula, clothes, gasoline tankfuls, repaired flats, bought tires, repaired vehicles, did construction to homes, to driving someone hundreds of miles home, and paid for Greyhound bus rides home.

Yet, we have to remember that Jesus didn't help everyone, Jesus didn't heal everyone, Jesus wasn't preaching to everyone, but allow me to qualify this statement. Jesus only preaches to His sheep, because the others cannot hear Him. When preachers preach or teach they're only preaching and teaching to the remnant. The joker sleeping on the pew needs to get some good rest, because even if he was awake he can't hear what is being said.

Running to and fro is sometimes us when we waste God's precious time with people who are only using us and manipulating us to see what they can get.

Amen. And this is why I said none of us here can tell BB what he should or should not do. Although I will say this, if Sister BB said the guy ain't sleeping on the couch, then it would probably be the height of foolishness to let the guy sleep on the couch. Just saying. Plus, taking someone into your home is a seriously risky proposition. Lots of bad juju can result.

I will say this, though. Personal experience. Sometimes, God shuts doors on us and gives us a free ride on the aptly named Constrictor roller coaster, in order to move things around for not only our future benefit but others' as well.

I was working a job once, and suddenly the boss was not paying anything except excuses. One thing led to another and the result? Eviction with nowhere to go. Tried looking for other work but for some mysterious reason couldn't land as much as a grocery clerk job. Long story short, wife got in touch with a friend of ours who had moved to Oklahoma, said "Well, just get up here and you can crash with us." So we moved up there. Motor blew up in the car as we pulled in front of the house. That friend was backslidden, but our presence there and our witness (Christian peer pressure?) got her back in church and living for God. (Not sure where she is now, this was years ago.) Also, I wound up getting a job that allowed a transfer back to Texas (obviously divine Providence) and which allowed us to buy a house, pay it off, buy our cars for cash with no payments, etc etc etc. Got to meet elder Epley as a result of all this, some 6-8 years later. lol

So, I guess what I'm saying, is sometimes things aren't what the eyeballs think they see. Inability to find a job isn't ALWAYS for a lack of trying. Not saying that's what is going on here. Or that it is not what's going on. I don't know. I'm not in the thick of it.

[Michael The Disciple]

And if saints would not take in their own, how much less would they take in strangers?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

And if saints would not take in their own, how much less would they take in strangers?

I think its a reflection of our society, everyone is working, everyone is busy, everyone is running to and fro like Satan . . .

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I think its a reflection of our society, everyone is working, everyone is busy, everyone is running to and fro like Satan . . .

Amen Sis.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I think its a reflection of our society, everyone is working, everyone is busy, everyone is running to and fro like Satan . . .

What?